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This Pope is a Leftist. He has been deceived by the destroying influence. Fortunately, his life is finite and he’s likely only able to tarnish the reputation of the Catholic denomination and temporarily drive out some of the membership.

Yes. The Church will recover... eventually.

I think the real reason for the excommunication of Vigano is an attempt to limit his influence over the next convocation.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...935/m/5400022905/p/2

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Originally posted by x0225095:

Hopefully the next pope will be from Africa. There are some strong, no-bullshit cardinals down there.

There are few around and as a good leftist the pope won't touch the ones from Africa. Cardinal Mueller has been quite outspoken for a long time, but especially as it concerns Fiducia Supplicans. Recently he ordained several priests in France using the Traditional Latin Mass throughout. I fear he may be on the chopping block.

The bishops in France hate the TLM, but aparently they didn't have the clout to shut him down. They do regularly shut down other bishops who try to do the same thing. I'm only going on what I read, but the explanation is that the bishops in France are jealous, because young people are flocking to the TLM churches in great numbers while the modern rite churches are empty.

Yes, things are a mess, but there is still great witness to the faith in many corners of the world and they are not backing down. Some will say, 'i left because of this or that', and there are many understandably good reasons, but none that should be a final deterrent.

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There is a schism happening across the board in Christianity. The most recent and visible example is the United Methodist Church. It was hijacked by the LGBTQ faction and their doctrine has been changed and codified. Any congregation wishing to disavow the new doctrine can leave but may not continue using the infrastructure. They must find a new building.

This has happened in the Presbyterian Church (USA), which has lost many congregations. As with the Methodists, apparently, the Presbytery (local governing body) has demanded the church exiting PC(USA) pay millions for the property and buildings--which the congregation had paid for.

One of the more interesting aspects of the schism noted by darthfuster is that the schism runs substantially along "north-south" lines: leaders of the Methodist church in Africa, for example, were very much opposed to the LGBTQ agenda; and I believe this has been the case in the Episcopal/Anglican Church as well. IIRC there are American Episcopal churches under the governance of an Anglican bishop in Africa.

The only hope for the Roman Catholic Church is that God calls the Pope home, likely to be reprimanded severely.

By the way my SigForum handle has no relevance to the Society of Jesus.

TillSJ

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Originally posted by x0225095:
This pope is a South American jesuit, which is already an order that has deep socialist leanings.

Oh, he was absolutely fine with supporting some pretty severe human rights abusers during the Dirty Wars of the 1980s, because in return for lending the Church's support and credibility to the anti-Communist regimes, the Church-- and by extension, ol' Father Jorge-- received EXTREMELY favorable government treatment.

He went as far as revoking sacramental facilities (for the non-Catholics in the audience, this effectively clips a priest's wings-- yeah, they're still ordained priests, but can't actually DO anything) for priests who didn't get in the party line, guys who were ministering to the poor but coming uncomfortably close to "liberation theology."

Now that a bigger and safer cash cow has joined the pasture, it's now OK for him to finally follow his conscience, I guess.

The last two Conclaves got it wrong. Hopefully, third time's the charm.

There is hope for the Catholic Church in the hearts of the faithful. It's anyone's guess how and whether it ever reflects in the hierarchy, or manifests at the next conclave, or the next, or one a hundred years or five hundred years from now. They can burn down or sack all the churches in France, and likewise all of the art and architecture of antiquity in Italy (which seems likely), it won't eradicate the faith.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
... Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, SJ, ... Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez S.J., an Argentinian Jesuit ...

Interesting article and spot on for the most part. But, neither McCarrick nor Fernandez are Jesuits - pretty sloppy errors.

Other than for Catholics, the pope is irrelevant.

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Interesting article and spot on for the most part. But, neither McCarrick nor Fernandez are Jesuits - pretty sloppy errors.

Yeah... pretty sloppy.

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:
Other than for Catholics, the pope is irrelevant.

I think the pope has influence politically. His Leftism and ideology is a dog whistle to politicians like Biden who no doubt use it as added legitimacy for policies that touch us all. So, while the pope is for Catholics, some Catholics affect each of us.

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Originally posted by SIG4EVA:
Other than for Catholics, the pope is irrelevant.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with 1.39 billion baptized Catholics worldwide as of 2024. It is among the world's oldest and largest international institutions, and has played a prominent role in the history and development of Western civilization.

It’s pretty much tied to the idea of “special people leading socialist nations.”

It’s like the UK - lots of absolutely horrific, destructive history mixed with lots of very good history.

We'll get right on that when you start paying taxes.

Oh and stop raping babies.