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The Catholic Church lost its way centuries ago. The evangelicals at the top are hypocrites of the highest order. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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The same pope that said Capitalism was essentially evil. The dumbass doesn't know shit from shinola. I won't step into my RC church until he's six feet under and a successor worthy of Pope John Paul II is running things. | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Don't hold your breath! We visited the Vatican many years ago. First thing I found interesting was that we had to pay an entrance fee to see all the relics, etc. 2nd thing was the tons of gold stacked up in various items of "art". One was a fairly small solid gold item from some village in what is now eastern Europe. The little sign on it, said where it came from and that it took the villagers something like 150 years to accumulate the gold. Thing probably did not weigh 5 lbs. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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There is an attack on all Christian denominations by Leftists. They have worked, and are working, to split many churches. . | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
Yep. He is the primary reason I flat refuse to go to a Catholic church anymore. His socialist influence is indeed spreading through the church, and I won't sit through it anymore. I started to get up and walk out of a mass last year when, during the homily, the priest started lecturing everyone about racism and privilege. She grabbed my knee in that "if you do this, I will be embarrassed to the point of a major blowup about it when we get home" way that all wives just somehow know how to do. I sat down, and whispered "I'll stay, but this is the last time. I'm not going to listen to this shit in God's house." My wife had me finish being confirmed Catholic before we got married. Her uncle's a priest and married us, she's got a great-aunt who is a nun, the whole family is very Catholic. She stopped pushing me to go with her, and she stopped going shortly thereafter. We wanted to raise our son with faith, not more "white man bad, give illegal immigrants everything you own because Jesus would have" brainwashing. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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I'm not a particularly active Catholic, although I still try to live my life according to it's tenets. This Pope is just another bolshevik, and therefore his opinions are, at best, irrelevant to me. Nobody who could espouse such ideas is worth listening to. There have been awful popes in the past, they were consigned to the dustbin of history, just as Bergoglio will in the fullness of time. While meeting my Maker will be a pretty difficult event (probably for both of us), I really wouldn't want to be in Bergoglio's shoes when its his turn... Runnin' and gunnin' (slowly..) | |||
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He needs to put his money where his mouth is and dole out all that enormous wealth accumulated by the Vatican to anyone who wants it. oh wait.....that opinion/suggestion does not apply to him, only the rest of us poor peons | |||
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 you made me smile today Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else  |
Someone once said “let he who is without sin cast the first stone..” I wonder if the concept of wealth could also used against the vast holding of the Catholic Church Francis... ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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Every church, every parish, is full of humans who are idiots and sinners. Just because your local parish priest is a moron doesn’t mean you should stop going... My local priest is awesome, very devout, theologically sound, and just gave a scathing sermon on voting and abortion, how a Catholic cannot split the two. If he leaves, I’m still Catholic. The pope is a sinner, through and through. Even if he is having sexual orgies, that’s what a human does. From a doctrinal, theological standpoint I am a Catholic. What others do, who consider themselves “Catholic” or “Christian”, I don’t give a shit about. That includes the Pope, unless he is addressing the entire church on a matter of faith and morals, and speaking “ex cathedra”. This has been used twice in 200 years, and not since 1950. Francis can keep spewing at the mouth, and that’s his prerogative. He will die, and the Church will live. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
We tried a number of churches within driving distance and liked that one best. When that priest went full blown commie, I was done. We used to live in South Florida. Seattle area is quite different. Also, my closing comment in that post was the most important part to me. He gets quite enough of that as it is, I’m not going to marinate him in it with “because God says so” flavoring added. Do as you see fit, and I will, too.  ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Understood, and in your shoes I might very well do the same. Try to find a Mass without a sermon, or hell, go to a Spanish/Latin Mass or something. As long as you educate him in the faith, and what is really right and wrong, then that’s what is really important. There’s villages in LatAm that have a priest come by every couple of years, and they are still practicing Catholics. Do what you think is best! Edit: I love how we both ended our posts exactly the same, without seeing what the other had written. God bless you, brother. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Ha! That is something. You, too! ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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| No double standards |
Maybe not an exact summary, seems the Pope is suggesting Christians have a responsibility to help the needy. I agree with that. But it seems he also suggests that gov'ts have a right to confiscate the private property of it's citizens promising to help the needy. I wonder how much of the confiscated property gov'ts spend on themselves first before actually helping those in need. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Sounds like Francis should be sent a copy of that movie where Anthony Quinn played the Pope. Shoes of the Fisherman, I think it was called. He might learn something. | |||
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This Pope is a real jackass. | |||
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Objectively Reasonable |
As another Catholic, I will say Yes, I agree. Both counts. Good ol' Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio seemed perfectly OK with Argentine's government stomping commie insurgents and political enemies for a long as the Church had special privileges during the Dirty Wars era, privileges from which he-- by extension-- benefited. Now, to atone, he's in a self-imposed race to be Commie-er Than Thou. He's willing to ignore centuries of settled Church doctrine and alienate a third or more of the faithful to win that race. I look forward to the counter-revolution. | |||
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| hello darkness my old friend  |
I got dibs on his ruby slippers... | |||
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I miss elements of the church I grew up with. By now means perfect, but on the small scale of our small town there was a lot of good. Though why all our deacons were from Ireland escaped me until I was older  .Yes this Pope is a communist and yes damaging the church. “Forigive your enemy, but remember the bastard’s name.” -Scottish proverb | |||
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