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Seems odd that the church would be attempting to usher in the very government that has systematically tried to stamp out... the church.




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I was raised, and have always considered myself to be Catholic.

But perhaps it is time for a change.




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Seems to me the Catholic church is unique in that it has a single spokesperson who, like it or not, is the voice of the entire church. Non Catholics just assume that he is supported by his flock, so to speak.

I know better because I just read the three pages of this thread and other similar threads. But what about the masses?



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Popes come and go, and they can be assholes. Read some bits about the Renaissance.

Leave if you disagree with the theology and doctrine, for that is the right thing to do. But if your brain is saying that to be Catholic is the right thing, and you disagree with the pope? Then you are in good company.

Many saints outright hated the Pope of their day, it’s totally normal. He’s just a man like all of us. Many people don’t understand this, hell even most Catholics.

It’s like the President, respect the office but not the man if necessary. There’s not a single thing Francis has said or done that I need to follow, as he hasn’t spoken on behalf of the church (again, that’s the infallible part which is super super rare. Think once a lifetime, for something beyond obvious).
 
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Not my church, not my pope, but he sounds like a commie...



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Not my church, not my pope, but he sounds like a commie...

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck...




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A commie masquerading as the pope.


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A commie masquerading as the pope.


And he’s never tried to hide it. Look at his whole global warming sham.




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I'm a Roman Roman Catholic.

That said, this chooch isn't my Pope!

Outright commie.

He whacked a guy when he was a bouncer in South America during his youth.

Now he's a skell.

He gotta go!
 
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Yes he is...


Yep. He is the primary reason I flat refuse to go to a Catholic church anymore. His socialist influence is indeed spreading through the church, and I won't sit through it anymore. I started to get up and walk out of a mass last year when, during the homily, the priest started lecturing everyone about racism and privilege. She grabbed my knee in that "if you do this, I will be embarrassed to the point of a major blowup about it when we get home" way that all wives just somehow know how to do. I sat down, and whispered "I'll stay, but this is the last time. I'm not going to listen to this shit in God's house."

My wife had me finish being confirmed Catholic before we got married. Her uncle's a priest and married us, she's got a great-aunt who is a nun, the whole family is very Catholic. She stopped pushing me to go with her, and she stopped going shortly thereafter. We wanted to raise our son with faith, not more "white man bad, give illegal immigrants everything you own because Jesus would have" brainwashing.


Every church, every parish, is full of humans who are idiots and sinners. Just because your local parish priest is a moron doesn’t mean you should stop going...

My local priest is awesome, very devout, theologically sound, and just gave a scathing sermon on voting and abortion, how a Catholic cannot split the two.

If he leaves, I’m still Catholic. The pope is a sinner, through and through. Even if he is having sexual orgies, that’s what a human does.

From a doctrinal, theological standpoint I am a Catholic. What others do, who consider themselves “Catholic” or “Christian”, I don’t give a shit about. That includes the Pope, unless he is addressing the entire church on a matter of faith and morals, and speaking “ex cathedra”. This has been used twice in 200 years, and not since 1950.

Francis can keep spewing at the mouth, and that’s his prerogative. He will die, and the Church will live.


Wish I could have expressed myself so clearly on the matter!
What Reloader-1 said, in a nutshell....


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Not my Pope!!!
 
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If the pope has BLM imprinted on his zucchetto, then all bets are off. Big Grin
 
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If the pope has BLM imprinted on his zucchetto, then all bets are off. Big Grin

The Pope says hold his beer.



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I left the church long ago. Back when they promoted a guy and sent him to Italy so that he would not get arrested for molesting some kids.


 
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Lighten up, francis.

Yeah, TRY and have your one world government subordinate the US and our freedoms. Ask the British how that worked out for them. . .



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Isn't this the same pontiff who denied that Hell is a "real" place, but only a state of separation from God?



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Popes come and go, and they can be assholes. Read some bits about the Renaissance.

Leave if you disagree with the theology and doctrine, for that is the right thing to do. But if your brain is saying that to be Catholic is the right thing, and you disagree with the pope? Then you are in good company.

Many saints outright hated the Pope of their day, it’s totally normal. He’s just a man like all of us. Many people don’t understand this, hell even most Catholics.

It’s like the President, respect the office but not the man if necessary. There’s not a single thing Francis has said or done that I need to follow.

My thoughts as well, reloader-1. Thanks for that. I didn't like Obama, but I didn't quit being an American.



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As corrupt an organization as any. I was raised Catholic so I guess 10 Hail Mary's and I'm good?


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Hypocrisy thy name is pope.



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