Pope is significantly damaging Catholic church

October 05, 2020, 02:25 PM

Elk Hunter

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Originally posted by 95flhr:
Is he saying the gold in the Vatican is up for grabs to those more needy than him?

Don't hold your breath! We visited the Vatican many years ago. First thing I found interesting was that we had to pay an entrance fee to see all the relics, etc. 2nd thing was the tons of gold stacked up in various items of "art".

One was a fairly small solid gold item from some village in what is now eastern Europe. The little sign on it, said where it came from and that it took the villagers something like 150 years to accumulate the gold. Thing probably did not weigh 5 lbs.

Elk

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The Idaho Elk Hunter

October 05, 2020, 02:37 PM

TigerDore

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Originally posted by Cous2492:
As a devout Catholic revert, I can assure all of my SigForum friends that there is an attack on the true Catholic Church by leftists....

There is an attack on all Christian denominations by Leftists. They have worked, and are working, to split many churches.

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October 05, 2020, 02:47 PM

P220 Smudge

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Originally posted by bozman:
Yes he is...

Yep. He is the primary reason I flat refuse to go to a Catholic church anymore. His socialist influence is indeed spreading through the church, and I won't sit through it anymore. I started to get up and walk out of a mass last year when, during the homily, the priest started lecturing everyone about racism and privilege. She grabbed my knee in that "if you do this, I will be embarrassed to the point of a major blowup about it when we get home" way that all wives just somehow know how to do. I sat down, and whispered "I'll stay, but this is the last time. I'm not going to listen to this shit in God's house."

My wife had me finish being confirmed Catholic before we got married. Her uncle's a priest and married us, she's got a great-aunt who is a nun, the whole family is very Catholic. She stopped pushing me to go with her, and she stopped going shortly thereafter. We wanted to raise our son with faith, not more "white man bad, give illegal immigrants everything you own because Jesus would have" brainwashing.

October 05, 2020, 02:56 PM

ClivefromtheMed

I'm not a particularly active Catholic, although I still try to live my life according to it's tenets.

This Pope is just another bolshevik, and therefore his opinions are, at best, irrelevant to me. Nobody who could espouse such ideas is worth listening to.

There have been awful popes in the past, they were consigned to the dustbin of history, just as Bergoglio will in the fullness of time.

While meeting my Maker will be a pretty difficult event (probably for both of us), I really wouldn't want to be in Bergoglio's shoes when its his turn...

October 05, 2020, 03:16 PM

tleo205

He needs to put his money where his mouth is and dole out all that enormous wealth accumulated by the Vatican to anyone who wants it. oh wait.....that opinion/suggestion does not apply to him, only the rest of us poor peons

October 05, 2020, 03:20 PM

bendable

quote:
serious Catholics

you made me smile today

October 05, 2020, 04:12 PM

smlsig

Someone once said “let he who is without sin cast the first stone..”

I wonder if the concept of wealth could also used against the vast holding of the Catholic Church Francis...

October 05, 2020, 04:17 PM

reloader-1

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
quote:
Originally posted by bozman:
Yes he is...

Yep. He is the primary reason I flat refuse to go to a Catholic church anymore. His socialist influence is indeed spreading through the church, and I won't sit through it anymore. I started to get up and walk out of a mass last year when, during the homily, the priest started lecturing everyone about racism and privilege. She grabbed my knee in that "if you do this, I will be embarrassed to the point of a major blowup about it when we get home" way that all wives just somehow know how to do. I sat down, and whispered "I'll stay, but this is the last time. I'm not going to listen to this shit in God's house."

My wife had me finish being confirmed Catholic before we got married. Her uncle's a priest and married us, she's got a great-aunt who is a nun, the whole family is very Catholic. She stopped pushing me to go with her, and she stopped going shortly thereafter. We wanted to raise our son with faith, not more "white man bad, give illegal immigrants everything you own because Jesus would have" brainwashing.

Every church, every parish, is full of humans who are idiots and sinners. Just because your local parish priest is a moron doesn’t mean you should stop going...

My local priest is awesome, very devout, theologically sound, and just gave a scathing sermon on voting and abortion, how a Catholic cannot split the two.

If he leaves, I’m still Catholic. The pope is a sinner, through and through. Even if he is having sexual orgies, that’s what a human does.

From a doctrinal, theological standpoint I am a Catholic. What others do, who consider themselves “Catholic” or “Christian”, I don’t give a shit about. That includes the Pope, unless he is addressing the entire church on a matter of faith and morals, and speaking “ex cathedra”. This has been used twice in 200 years, and not since 1950.

Francis can keep spewing at the mouth, and that’s his prerogative. He will die, and the Church will live.

October 05, 2020, 04:22 PM

P220 Smudge

We tried a number of churches within driving distance and liked that one best. When that priest went full blown commie, I was done. We used to live in South Florida. Seattle area is quite different. Also, my closing comment in that post was the most important part to me. He gets quite enough of that as it is, I’m not going to marinate him in it with “because God says so” flavoring added.

Do as you see fit, and I will, too.

October 05, 2020, 04:30 PM

reloader-1

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
, my closing comment in that post was the most important part to me. He gets quite enough of that as it is, I’m not going to marinate him in it with “because God says so” flavoring added.

Understood, and in your shoes I might very well do the same. Try to find a Mass without a sermon, or hell, go to a Spanish/Latin Mass or something. As long as you educate him in the faith, and what is really right and wrong, then that’s what is really important.

There’s villages in LatAm that have a priest come by every couple of years, and they are still practicing Catholics. Do what you think is best!

Edit: I love how we both ended our posts exactly the same, without seeing what the other had written. God bless you, brother.

October 05, 2020, 04:35 PM

P220 Smudge

Ha! That is something. You, too!

October 05, 2020, 04:54 PM

Scoutmaster

Maybe not an exact summary, seems the Pope is suggesting Christians have a responsibility to help the needy. I agree with that.

But it seems he also suggests that gov'ts have a right to confiscate the private property of it's citizens promising to help the needy. I wonder how much of the confiscated property gov'ts spend on themselves first before actually helping those in need.

October 05, 2020, 05:16 PM

tsmccull

Sounds like Francis should be sent a copy of that movie where Anthony Quinn played the Pope. Shoes of the Fisherman, I think it was called. He might learn something.

October 05, 2020, 05:45 PM

kramden

This Pope is a real jackass.

October 05, 2020, 07:57 PM

DennisM

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Originally posted by chellim1:

This Pope is a GDC.

And as a Catholic, I will say Yes, this Pope is significantly damaging Catholic church.

As another Catholic, I will say Yes, I agree. Both counts.

Good ol' Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio seemed perfectly OK with Argentine's government stomping commie insurgents and political enemies for a long as the Church had special privileges during the Dirty Wars era, privileges from which he-- by extension-- benefited.

Now, to atone, he's in a self-imposed race to be Commie-er Than Thou. He's willing to ignore centuries of settled Church doctrine and alienate a third or more of the faithful to win that race.

I look forward to the counter-revolution.