Weird...the usual "Defend California" crowd that usually jumps into these threads is noticeably quiet. Everytime we all jump on the "Screw Kommifornia" bandwagon (one I LOVE to initiate at every opportunity", these members jump in here and scold us all telling us how their all-powerful, economic salvation is VITAL to the country. We all NEED California...


Where are you today? *crickets*

Screw Kommifornia. They will continue to fail, and their filthy cancerous ways will infect every state their brainwashed citizenry flee to.

This is war. We are in a fight for our country, and we're behind the powercurve because no one wants any confrontation...

If each of us did our part and punched a kommie in the nose every day, the world would be a better place.

Yeah, no.

I don't agree with this small engine mandate.

I very rarely feel "bad" for other people. I stay in my lane, do my thing, and let other people rage about the injustices of life.

I will, however, note that this small engine mandate is gonna screw a lot of hard working landscapers out there. Those guys work hard for not much money, and that sucks.

Hopefully this blunder will convert a few Blues to Reds. There's gotta be more than a few undocumented landscapers out there with Blue voting children who will see the hardship being reaped onto their parents by the government they have elected.

I am guessing this is a phased in process over a number of years. ????? Large market for used mowers possibly?

Why can't landscapers cross over to electric equipment? I understand the issues with longevity charges - but many of todays trucks come equipped with on-board electric outlets. (or are those trucks banned in CA as well?)

For the record - all my yard equipment is gasoline.

quote:

Why can't landscapers cross over to electric equipment?

I posted a commercial electric mower on the last page. $37,000 plus.

Why can't the government just stay out of every aspect of our lives?

quote:

Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
What happens with existing gas lawn mowers? I see business opportunities.

In 50 years it will be the Cuba of lawn equipment, tons of vintage models still chugging along held together with bailing wire and duct tape. Ironic, no?

Use a bigger engine...

In pictures!!! My thoughts exactly.

quote:

Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Why can't landscapers cross over to electric equipment? I understand the issues with longevity charges - but many of todays trucks come equipped with on-board electric outlets. (or are those trucks banned in CA as well?)

For the record - all my yard equipment is gasoline.

Imagine having to replace all of your equipment at thousands, maybe even 10s of thousands, of dollars for impractical equipment to continue earning a living in a small margin business.

quote:

Originally posted by darthfuster:

quote:

Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Why can't landscapers cross over to electric equipment? I understand the issues with longevity charges - but many of todays trucks come equipped with on-board electric outlets. (or are those trucks banned in CA as well?)

For the record - all my yard equipment is gasoline.

Imagine having to replace all of your equipment at thousands, maybe even 10s of thousands, of dollars for impractical equipment to continue earning a living in a small margin business.

They don't care if you are barely making it in a small margin business. They did, and continue to, put the screws to the trucking industry.

Completely unrelated in their minds: The cost of shipping has tripled in the last 15 years.

quote:

Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Why can't landscapers cross over to electric equipment? I understand the issues with longevity charges - but many of todays trucks come equipped with on-board electric outlets. (or are those trucks banned in CA as well?)

For the record - all my yard equipment is gasoline.

Typical landscape crew is two maybe three guys. They pull up, drop the gate, and mower guy mows. Trimmer guy trims. Mower guy puts mower back and gets the blower out. Off to the next property. There’s no time to waste charging the equipment and there’s no way it can be charged without a 12kW generator.

Just the other day, I watched a bigger crew pull three mowers out of their enclosed trailer and fill them. That’s about 15 gallons a piece. Think about it this way: How much gasoline would be required to run a generator to produce enough electricity to equal the energy of 15 gallons of gas? Probably close to 20 gallons. Now, how long would it take to run the generator to charge the batteries with that amount of energy? Three or four hours?

The good news is: California is running out of water anyway, so there won’t be any need for landscapers, farmers, or migrant workers.

They're thinking ahead of course, we are not. That is all you need to consider. Those who think are ass's. Those who are making the laws don't have to do that and then are right. Got it?!?!?!

quote:

Originally posted by sigcrazy7:

quote:

Originally posted by darthfuster:

quote:

Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Why can't landscapers cross over to electric equipment? I understand the issues with longevity charges - but many of todays trucks come equipped with on-board electric outlets. (or are those trucks banned in CA as well?)

For the record - all my yard equipment is gasoline.

Imagine having to replace all of your equipment at thousands, maybe even 10s of thousands, of dollars for impractical equipment to continue earning a living in a small margin business.

They don't care if you are barely making it in a small margin business. They did, and continue to, put the screws to the trucking industry.

Completely unrelated in their minds: The cost of shipping has tripled in the last 15 years.

Zackly!

The only difference will be in the locations at which the emissions are created.

The electricity used to charge a battery-powered tool (or vehicle) is generated at a power plant, then transferred over the grid to the point of use. Converting one form of energy (coal, natural gas, etc) to another form (electrical current) always results in a net loss. Transmission from point of generation to point of use always results in a net loss.

Arguably, the use of battery-powered equipment that is recharged from the electrical grid actually results in greater emissions due to the energy losses incurred.

Then there are the issues involved in battery production, a very dirty and polluting business.

Then there are the issues involved in disposing of depleted batteries, loaded with toxic waste.

I doubt that Mr. Newsome will notice much difference. His limo and escorts will continue to burn fossil fuels. His official aircraft will continue to burn fossil fuels.

The Hollywood elite will still arrive and depart in gas-guzzling SUVs and limos.

The homeowner trying to take care of his property, and Joe Landscaper, well they just need to do what their betters have decided is good for them.

When the last intelligent human leaves California there won't even be a need to turn the lights off.

Imagine doing a job like this with a battery trimmer.

quote:

Originally posted by Legal Beagle:
There may be some cool rollmarks coming on lawn equipment:
“GOVERNMENT/LAW ENFORCEMENT USE ONLY”

More like

GOVERNMENT/LAWN ENFORCEMENT USE ONLY

You could always do it with a scythe. Zero emission tool.

quote:

Originally posted by AKSuperDually:
If each of us did our part and punched a kommie in the nose every day, the world would be a better place.

Agreed. Just please make sure you’re punching a Commie. Not all Kommiefornia residents are Commie.

So PG&E and Edison cut power when it’s windy. Utility crews go out to clear downed trees and limbs using e-chainsaws. Need to recharge? Can’t! No portable generator. The power is off. And then switch from the most expensive gasoline to the most expensive car electricity!

I worked directly for the major utilities and indirectly for oil and gas in the state. The state is so full of itself. I don’t wish physical harm to our governor, but a healthy case of scabies and lice would suffice. I do loathe him.

And I voted to recall him too.

quote:

Originally posted by Rightwire:
You could always do it with a scythe. Zero emission tool.

Whoa. Unregistered ghost tools with no sound signature? That’s a hard no in California.