Just a thought - only because I don't know, but I wonder if a company who received PPP funding, might be violating terms of taking the money if they start laying off people for not taking the vax.

So let me make sure I understand this.

Discrimination is technically illegal. Sexual harassment is illegal and rape is illegal.

Yet companies can now discriminate between Vaxxed and unvaxxed employees. Companies can now harass you for exercising freedom of choice. And companies can force you to have unwanted stuff forced into your body and if you don’t like it, they can fire you.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:


Discrimination is technically illegal.

Discrimination on the basis of a few particular, expressly stated, protected classes of people is illegal. Under Federal Law, those protected classes are race, color, religion or creed, national origin or ancestry, sex, age, physical or mental disability, veteran status, genetic information, and citizenship.

Discrimination on any other basis is perfectly OK. For example, discrimination based on one's credit score or eligibility to work in the country is ok.

Things get a little muddier when an ostensibly unprotected class is used as a proxy for one of the abovementioned protected classes or when discriminating against an unprotected class creates a discriminatory effect on a protected class. That's beyond the scope here, but it's enough to understand that there's discrimination and there's illegal discrimination. Discrimination is OK, but illegal discrimination is not.

I am glad that I am self employed.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:
Discrimination on the basis of a few particular, expressly stated, protected classes of people is illegal. Under Federal Law, those protected classes are race, color, religion or creed, national origin or ancestry, sex, age, physical or mental disability, veteran status, genetic information, and citizenship.



Things get a little muddier when an ostensibly unprotected class is used as a proxy for one of the abovementioned protected classes or when discriminating against an unprotected class creates a discriminatory effect on a protected class. That's beyond the scope here, but it's enough to understand that there's discrimination and there's illegal discrimination. Discrimination is OK, but illegal discrimination is not.

That's the way it's supposed to be, but not the way it is.

Case in point: White males are discriminated against on a regular basis for employment, promotions and college admissions and probably some other things I'm too lazy to think about.

That kind of shoots down the whole discrimination thing, doesn't it?

And the way I see this whole thing isn't that they're discriminating against a class of people at all. They're firing people for not complying with a requirement for employment, which is a whole different thing to me.

I doubt that firing them for not fulfilling that requirement is legal, but we won't know until SCOTUS rules on it, which will probably be around July 2022 or so.

I work in a healthcare facility and the last 6 positive staff members we've had have been fully vaccinated.

None of our unvaccinated staff that have already had covid have came down with covid a second time.

We're under this stupid federal healthcare vaccine mandate and if the injunction is lifted we're going to get rid of 20% of our staff.

Who they hell do they think is going to care for everyone when we're already short staffed?

I got the jab in Feb as I am in the age group at greatest risk. I did my research, and chose the vaccine I wanted to get and got it.

These mandates and the fact that employers are following them blindly even in light of the two injunctions and what we know now about the effectiveness of the vaccines shows who the weak sisters really are. In some cases, there isn't jack shit that the feds can do to the employers, but the employers are not willing to stand up to the feds and their illegal efforts.

Bottom line is that it is always the little people who get hurt. and unless they stand together en mass, there is nothing they can do.

Good Luck to all of you at risk, both from the virus, your employer, and the socialist democrats.

RMD

This is the liberal’s way of purging out a group of nonconformists. Separating them from the rest. Making it a financial burden on the families that will not conform to the jab. They are kicking in doors in Europe, we are not far behind. A pack of wolves will work together to separate their target from the herd. What’s next, maybe a reward to turn in your family members who refuse to get the shot? This is frigging Bullshit!

A perfect real world example as to vaccine efficacy vs. natural immunity, and the insanity surrounding it. I am not vaccinated and got over Covid recently. Before I left work (and was aware I had it) there’s a co-worker I spend a good amount of time with in close proximity. He has the Pfizer 2 shot vaccine. A week after I went down with the crud he started exhibiting light symptoms. He took it home and infected his wife who is is also not vaccinated. Point is, the “vaccines” do not stop, or even inhibit spread from what I’ve seen. Me on the other hand now have a natural immunity that will attack and eradicate Covid when I encounter it. I can’t carry it and spread it the way “vaccinated” folks can. For how long, I don’t know, but I am incapable of carrying it. I am certain that when I return to work tomorrow, I will be the target of weekly testing requirements whereas FULLY vaccinated people will not. You know, the people that have reduced symptomatic response, and CAN carry it. No amount of explaining the actual science to these fanatics will change that. You see the hypocrisy? I CANNOT carry or spread Covid for an extensive period of time, but will likely be forced to test regularly. Vaccinated people that CAN carry and spread Covid have no such testing requirement.

Which begs the question- why should unvaccinated folks be the only ones targeted with all of these ridiculous, draconian half measures? The answer is divide and conquer. The lunatics are conditioned into actually believing the unvaccinated are the only ones capable of making others sick. The anointed are rewarded with looser restrictions when it is in fact they that probably should be under close scrutiny for Covid spread. In the end, it is about division and control.

Based on the CDC's new and improved definition of "vaccine", everybody here should just pop an aspirin and tell your employer that you're "fully vaccinated".


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

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Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.

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Originally posted by LBTRS:
I work in a healthcare facility and the last 6 positive staff members we've had have been fully vaccinated.

None of our unvaccinated staff that have already had covid have came down with covid a second time.

We're under this stupid federal healthcare vaccine mandate and if the injunction is lifted we're going to get rid of 20% of our staff.

Who they hell do they think is going to care for everyone when we're already short staffed?

I am in the same boat.
We have been short staffed in healthcare for years if not dEvades, always on the edge of system collapse. So when some hospital CEO or politician states we only lost 5% of our employees due to the mandate, that slight bump in shortage will throw the system into total chaos.
My tin foil hat opinion, is that is exactly what those in power want to give them an excuse to take full control of health care.

The health care industry is set to lose tens of thousands of mostly older experienced professionals to this

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
Based on the CDC's new and improved definition of "vaccine", everybody here should just pop an aspirin and tell your employer that you're "fully vaccinated".

I take a covid vaccine pill daily... 'Multi' manufactured by Nature Made.

To me one of the most infuriating aspects of this whole thing is that "they" (the powers behind the powers we can actually see) can arrange things so that there will literally NEVER be a time when "we" (freedom-loving American citizens) will be free of new virus strains (as well as old ones). I mean THINK about it: Just about the time you start thinking that all the old strains have absolutely been conquered & there are no new ones on the horizon here comes Fauci with yet another iteration. And all the while our government officials assume powers NOT delegated to them by The Constitution. WE ARE HAVING OUR FREEDOMS REMOVED FROM US AND NO ONE IS OFFERING ANY EFFECTIVE RESISTANCE! Well, there is an old saying that applies here. Goes like this: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me". So this next time around I WILL be going to church; in spite of what they advise me to do... AND in spite of whatever threats "they" hold over my head. Enough is enough; And I've had enough.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Since there is a lot of unknown's here. I will will speculate that the 10% is not the entire unvaxxed portion of the work force. And maybe not a 100% unvaxxed period.

Well it actually was, with the exception of a few unvaxed employees that retired because they had their mandatory years required for full retirement benefits and didn't want to fight being otherwise terminated. But there are now zero unvaxed employees remaining, so I'm not sure where you're coming from, unless you're referring to any employees who were able to secure temporary exemptions based on medical or religeous grounds, though those are temporary for other reasons that can change from day to day depending on the state's or CEO's personal politics.

We’re finding out as a nation, what “at-will employment” actually means to those living in “at-will employment” states.

If the CEO does not like your political leaning, they now have an easy way to identify you, and kick you to the curb.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
What you gonna do?

Maybe advocate for a position that recognizes natural immunity has a far superior immunity than the vaccine. Tell that to your boss with the resignation letter. Put your money where your mouth is… Plenty of great jobs out there right now.


This is what has to happen for real change.

As long as everybody keeps excepting this, we’re going to get more of it.

Great jobs out there ?? Sure possibly. But not without the shot. No large company or well known corporation or state or federal agency is going to hire anyone, particularly in the professions, like Engineers, Medical Doctors, or Skilled Tradesmen who are not vaxed. Nope, nada, your analysis is flawed as such.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
We’re finding out as a nation, what “at-will employment” actually means to those living in “at-will employment” states.

If the CEO does not like your political leaning, they now have an easy way to identify you, and kick you to the curb.

Good point. Ugly, but true.

I have a decision to make soon as well.

Wife was granted a religious exemption. She works for a .gov contractor (telecom company). She has worked from home for 23 years and was last in an office for a meeting about 8 years ago. So, it was a no-brainer to grant the exemption and retain an experienced person.

I am privy to the discussions my employer is having in confidence to decide what they are going to do if the OSHA mandate holds up. I am "unvaxxed" and will not be getting the useless shot. So, I may find myself heading into retirement again and standing on a soup line.

If the OSHA mandate holds, then we will be one step closer to the unthinkable. Prepare gents...

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
If the CEO does not like your political leaning, they now have an easy way to identify you, and kick you to the curb.

Interesting assumption that whether one is willing (perhaps eager) to be vaccinated is now a political decision rather than a medical one. So it really is just a left/right issue rather than based on fears or doubts about the effectiveness of the vaccines, and therefore anyone who takes the shot is just a member of the mindless leftist “sheeple” despite how he may have lived his life and worked for politically up to that point—?

If that is true, then I wonder who will get to decide which camp I and some of my friends and relatives are incarcerated in while awaiting the showers: the far right or the left. Hmm …?

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
If the CEO does not like your political leaning, they now have an easy way to identify you, and kick you to the curb.

Interesting assumption that whether one is willing (perhaps eager) to be vaccinated is now a political decision rather than a medical one. So it really is just a left/right issue rather than based on fears or doubts about the effectiveness of the vaccines, and therefore anyone who takes the shot is just a member of the mindless leftist “sheeple” despite how he may have lived his life and worked for politically up to that point—?

If that is true, then I wonder who will get to decide which camp I and some of my friends and relatives are incarcerated in while awaiting the showers: the far right or the left. Hmm …?

Yeah, it’s not that simple. I know conservative folks who happily took the jab and liberals who won’t take without a hell of a fight.

Somehow, I don’t see you meekly going into a camp for either side sigfreund.