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When ideology results in people dying and property being destroyed We'll see what the next election brings and how many civil service employees are looking for new careers.... A State Official Refused To Release Water For West Maui Fires Until It Was Too Late
Request was made to divert water to fight Maui fire
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Oh. Well in that case, I'll gladly bury my family as a burnt offering sacrifice to their climate Gaia, mother of nature. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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I heard a lecture once about aircraft safety and causes of crashes. The theme was the "Swiss cheese theory": disasters happen usually not because of one failure, but the "lining up" of numerous failures. That appears to be the case here, with catastrophic consequences. HECO's failures; land use laws that leave land fallow with highly flammable vegetation; extraordinarily high winds; and now we hear lack of water to fight the fire. The last at least partly for Leftist political reasons. Edited to add: They did not sound the alarm because "people would think it was a tsunami and go uphill into the fire". No, they're not stupid like you, asshole. Link
A "perfect storm". Utterly infuriating. I'm livid with rage. Who will pay for this? Who will be punished?This message has been edited. Last edited by: sjtill, _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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Just saw a plea on the TV asking for donations for Maui. Then it struck me that all the $$$ we sent to Ukraine would sure go a long way to help these people. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Since Manuel is such an enthusiast for Hawaiian culture and beliefs, he can offer himself up to be sacrificed, as that also common practice for idiots and violators. I'm sure there's more than a few volunteers from Maui who'd gladly club this guy. | |||
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The enlightened M. Kaleo Manual...
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M needs to go help boots on the ground identify the corpses his water sharing idiocy caused. | |||
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As have you all, I’ve been thinking about Hawaii. Yesterday, award-winning journalist and Twitter files pioneer Michael Shellenberger weighed in on the Maui disaster, assigning the blame to woke establishmentarians and their bizarre, deadly climate policies: Michael’s article is a more thoughtful version of the same distrustful theories we’ve seen coming from on-the-ground Hawaiians, who all believe the government is responsible for the fires, not Mother Nature. Theories abound. Space lasers, aluminum nanoparticles, cops stopping people from leaving Lahaina, child traffickers, Hollywood celebrities, military arsonists, and even the mysterious missing trainload of fertilizer have been blamed. Among others. Meanwhile, clueless corporate media is running with “climate change.” But it’s not working. ‘Climate change’ is the dumbest possible explanation for the Maui disaster. And on the other hand, I’m not ruling out any of the alternative theories. Who knows? But what is getting clearer and clearer is that the deep-blue state of Hawaii is looking pretty anti-establishment at this point, isn’t it? You could say the island state of Hawaii has swallowed a great big red pill. https://www.coffeeandcovid.com...rue&utm_medium=email "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Sounds to me that they just burned out the white people. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Again, there are A LOT of reasons for what happened. Bad land use decisions and poor emergency planning were tinder for this, and rooted in decades of decisions. Then there were natural conditions: drought, invasive vegatation and hurricane winds. Then, when the SHTF, there was a casade of problems: movement of too many people for a practical evacuation, downed lines, water, poor emergency advanced planning for FIRE specifically, the general "island" mindset, and failures to "see/hear" what was actually happening on the ground. People in a position to do better made bad decisions and people died. It WAS NOT just this water guy. Some should 100% lose their jobs, maybe more than that depending on the results of this. BUT applying 20/20 hindsight to assess responsibility is not appropriate AT ALL. This is not a simple situation where simplified tweets can prognosticate what happened and why. Don't make the same mistakes as the left, just as climate change wasn't the problem, it wasn't solely "the government's" failures either. Yes climate played a problem (drought, winds), but this was something decades of neglect and failure to plan/act on MANY levels. And this is not just a Hawaii problem. Look, as I type this I'm about 45 miles as the crow flies from an active volcano, one of several in this area. I live on an active fault line. I live 30 miles from a base that regularly handles nuclear weapons (a metric fuckton of them). I guarantee you if any one of those disasters in waiting happen (just to name a few possible), things are going to get pearshaped super fast AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE THERE TO HELP ME(YOU). Those of you in hurricane/tornado alley, those of you near flamable forests, those of you near train tracks, etc bear witness to this event. Because, in our hearts, we don't think this (whatever "this" will happen) because it is a low probablity event. But people win the lottery all the time, and at some point somewhere will lose. And when it does, you had best be as prepared as possible. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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And yet in a ironic way, Climate Change at least the movement, was part of the cause for the massive expansion of the fires and subsequent loss of life and property. Climate Change was in charge of the government and rules enacted, since the people in control of the resources are the ones who failed to provide services or change rules in order to reduce the risk of what happened were disciples of that train of thought. | |||
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You mean dumber than space lasers so the gov't could buy the land cheap and resell it? Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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sjtill...we call it "a chain of events". Break one link in that chain and odds are you can likely mitigate the threat leading to total disaster.
FJB LGB "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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This popped up on my YT feed today so I watched it. Only a couple of minor “climate change” references, maybe only one. He does a pretty good job at breaking this all down. The one thing, I thought of, that he mentioned, was “building codes” in Lahaina and I said immediately “corsair will have a field day with this” because as we both know, Lahaina and current building code is about like oil and water going together. I could say the same thing about a ton of buildings in Wailuku, Kahului. A ton of out of date buildings all over the place. https://youtu.be/xVID8jENuzQ The nasty combo meal: 3rd world infrastructure. Poorly maintained, everything out of date, especially the grid. IE pole city. Heavy winds from a Hurricane to the South. Once, fruit and sugarcane plantations, well maintained, all over the island, replaced with invasive grass as local politics and cost of living drove this business out when corporations decided they could grow their sugarcane and pineapple in other countries with less costly labor and overall cost. Cow farmers introducing non native grass to feed their herds, which spread to the previous plantations of fruit and sugarcane. Said grass is very fire prone. State and county water management’s epic failure to release needed water to stop fires. State and county emergency response management’s lack of action to fire off 80 sirens present on the island that alert human beings if there is a massive fucking problem. Way, out of date, building codes all throughout Lahaina. Lack of road management, referenced the one way in and one way out of Lahaina which we know is a problem all over the island for road transport. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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What would it have taken to "release the water " ? Open or close some valves ? Start some pumps ? It's hard to believe nobody got pissed off enough to go vigilante on these bureaucrats and take matters into their own hands . When everything you own is going up in flames and people are dying , you sometimes get a little impulsive . And then there's that whole " Better to ask for forgiveness than for permission " thing . | |||
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Maui Emergency Chief resigns.
Video of the idiot in the link. https://nypost.com/2023/08/17/...ding-siren-decision/ "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
"Health reasons" Yeah, trying to avoid getting your ass kicked so hard that you wear your butt cheeks for a collar could be considered a health reason. I'm beyond angry about all of this. Mismanagement, leftist horseshit about "equity" while letting people burn to death, utter and total incompetency and stupidity- HUMAN ERROR all the way, and these fucks blame "climate change". Some of these people need to go to jail for a very long time. Some of them deserve the ultimate penalty. | |||
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Somebody needs go to prison over this. He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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I'd say prison is too good for these sunsabitches... My airline is doing what it can to fill B777's with emergency relief goods and get them there. I'd love to fly some of those humanitarian missions, but I'm not B777 rated/qualified. "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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