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Not that it has any real bearing on this catastrophe, but global warming would, if it even exists, cause ice caps melting, and more water vapor in the atmosphere, resulting in more rain. You get massive droughts during global cooling, like in the last ice age, when more water is bound up in ice caps. I would posit that this is mostly human mismanagement, amplified by the winds from a nearby weather system. | |||
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What is it with these people? ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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If a cop car is blocking me from escaping an inferno, I'm going right through him. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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For an order to have standing, it first must be lawful. An order to prevent people from escaping a deadly fire is not lawful and if I was manning the barricade, I would have let them all out and kept them from going back. My union would have shoved any discipline I may have been targeted for failing the "order" right up the Chiefs ass. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Or was it HECO trucks blocking escape? Link
In another major human error, the lines were still hot. HECO did not shut down power, either there or in Olinda. Perfect storm of FUBAR. _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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Gotta be more to that story . I have too many years in the business to believe that at face value . | |||
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I did see a video clip on a site that had police redirecting traffic on Front St. back towards the fire, for what reason, I have no idea. This quickly resulted in tons of people abandoning their cars and jumping into the ocean.
1. Maui/Hawaii has extremely incompetent and corrupt government leaders and officials. 2. The Hawaiian culture is very different than the U.S. mainland. Everything is on "mañana" time. People move at their own pace in Hawaii and it's not very urgent, including govt. I have seen examples of this attitude countless times. 3. It's a good ole boys club when it comes to the infrastructure monopoly there. 4. Power struggles over land and fresh water use has been happening even before Hawaii became a state, and it still continues today. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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This appears to be true in a big way. This goes back to my question as to why Hawaii is a state. If they aren't like us, then they are not us. Why? Why is Hawaii a state? Beyond strategic advantage for the United States, what is there? I asked ChatGPT for information and it threw in a lecture, so I had to drop the pimp hand on this glorified lawnmower.  | |||
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I went to elementary and middle school in Hawaii, and their public schools have extensive classes on Hawaiian history. The answer to your question is that statehood was originally tried in the late 1800s or early 1900s when corporations wanted additional protections for their investment in the land. Those efforts stalled and then in the late 50s were picked up again as part of the Cold War. So bottom line, Hawaii is a state because it was deemed strategically advantageous during the Cold War. I think it was shortsighted of us. Hawaii, while beautiful, is full of racist Hawaiians who absolutely hate white people. Thank God we never went through with statehood for Puerto Rico. | |||
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Unless they spend their tourist $$ there. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Hawaiians are a minority in Hawaii. The Kamehameha Schools went to the Supreme Court and got a ruling they could discriminate on admission, offering it only to those of Hawaiian ancestry. There are so few of those that 80% of Hawaiian children don’t qualify. They’ve had to lower the percent Hawaiian to 1/4 or maybe lower.
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At the risk of derailing this conversation, I'll add that, as a white male, I felt some of that during my visits to Maui several years ago. As long as I had my wallet out, smiles all around. Asking directions, etc, different story. ... | |||
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I sent my daughter a thousand dollars for her to donate as she saw fit. She has a good friend living in Napili that came over to her side of the island to spend some time. Apparently transacting business is very hard to do on Lahaina side. No ATMs, stores are just now coming back on line but using a credit card is still iffy. My daughter gave her friend a thousand in twenties to distribute to those who she knew needed the money. (Yeah, I trust her friend. She's visited our house for a week) I am told to be damn careful if you decide to donate. Plenty of scams going on now. Hopefully this get's more under control in short order but I have serious doubts about that happening. | |||
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I know this exists; but I did live on Maui for seven years, worked there for five and had all races as patients, ran into people everywhere. Of course I was a doctor so people appreciated someone who would live there and take care of them. In rural areas there are people who are openly hostile to non-Hawaiians, especially whites. I think it gets a lot of publicity, far more than the general attitude of the locals would warrant. In general, people of every ethnic group bend over backward to pay tribute to the traditional Hawaiian culture. _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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A behavior which, no doubt, can be found in many cultures around the world. Fear, ignorance, resentment and tribalism. | |||
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Indeed, rural Hawaii is full of odd balls and outright hostility. Rural Hawaii usually gets split into three camps: - Farmers, still making a living off the land, there's not many of them but, like farmers elsewhere, they enjoy working their property and not looking to raise their profile. There's some Native farmers giving it a go, attempting to 'reconnect with the land', many farmers are either Asian or, White that get occasional harassment from the aggrieved Native groups for 'stealing land'; squatting and occasional crop theft is their biggest challenge. - Hippies and alternative living types, this ranges from veterans & others just looking to disconnect from the world in their mountain shack to, esoteric odd balls who are simply squatters and/or in the drug trade; you see the same in rural Alaska. There's a wide variety of hippie encampments scattered throughout the jungle areas, most of these areas are heavily male, lots of sex offenders in-hidding. The women that do get attracted to these places usually find out the back-to-nature life isn't all that it's cracked-up to be and sometimes can turn into a nightmare. Reggae motifs are hugely popular, there's a handful of villages that center around these groups, the Natives tolerate them since weed is common currency, along with other harder drugs. - Then there's the Natives, usually a mix of various Polynesian since there's very few 'pure Hawaiian'; some try to do subsistence living while living 'the old ways', most are full of shit and are just thugs with no skills. Violence is the calling card, gangland mores and attitudes are the norm, drugs are the currency. Places like Big Island and Kauai have a hard time keeping tabs on them as the areas they live are openly hostile to outsiders. | |||
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Sounds similar to backwoods life in many areas, such as the hills of Appalachia, The Golden Triangle of NorCal or any super rural off the path places where people go to hide either from the world or the law or both... | |||
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On Charlie Kirk they are reporting that over 1000 people are still missing. From a reporter in Maui on the ground, the local government is continuing to stonewall. A good portion of missing are apparently children. | |||
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In order to simply answer Para's question: Alaska wanted to become a state, for many if not almost all of the reasons Hawaii did. Alaska was solidly (R), Hawaii solidly (D) and have been that way since statehood more or less. One for one per long held tradition in state admittance by Congress. Probably one of the reasons Puerto Rico and WADC are not states is that the (R)'s aren't sure PR will vote and stay (R). And like others, I was schooled in Hawaiian history from 5-11th grade when I lived on Oahu as a lad. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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