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I'll keep an open mind, but earlier in the day reports indicate power HAD been out, then came back on and a video shows a hot line down with grass fire being started from sparks. I don't know the time and don't have the link. I'm not ready to trust HECO on this. _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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Video back on Page 5. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Within video on page 5 the man being interviewed stated that it was the morning fire he was referring to, then he speculated on smoldering caused the fire in the afternoon. Hawaiian Electric Company link provided addresses the video with these two bullet points.
Both parties, Government and Electric Company have a lot to lose. In my view, it is too early to cast blame. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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This is a bit of a bold statement. One idiot with a generator who doesn’t disconnect from the lines before firing up and there is electricity flowing through the wires. Yeah, you can’t blame the utility for that, but there is a reason why linemen always ground both sides of a downed line before working it. | |||
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Ain't that the truth.... _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Interesting write-up. For declared disaster areas, where federal aid is sent....isn't FEMA the lead government agency? They're suppose to direct assets and call-up assets from a catalog of federal/local agencies? What’s With the Underwhelming Military Response in Maui?
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| goodheart |
Great post, corsair. Completely in accord with what I’ve seen on the ‘net. _________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne | |||
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As a solid blue state with a solid blue news media, I believe Biden and his Democrat associates take it for granted that this incident will blow over into obscurity. The loved ones that died will be forgotten (in their view) and the property losses provide an opportunity to wealthy investors that didn't live in the area. Who needs to worry about accountability, when you can blame the "Climate Change Crisis" while obscuring local politicians' policies and actions/inaction? There's a huge difference between those who lived in, worked in, and patronized Lahina and those who live in and visit Wailea. Biden knows it and so do his supporters. That's why they don't care. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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Has Onumb-nutz DARED to show his face over there yet?? I mean...him being all Hawaiian and all.  "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
The lack of response, both from the military and from government in general is really something. And the press is mostly ignoring it. Imagine if you will: President Bush and Hurricane Katrina... How did the press cover that? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Not just solid blue, but, solid Biden. In the 2020 Democrat Primary Hawaii went solidly for Biden, even over their home girl, Tulsi Gabbard, by a ratio of about 10-to-1 (by round 8 [Hawaii uses RCV]). I'm certainly not so crass as to suggest "They got what they asked for." Nobody asks for devastating fires. Nobody asks to be short-shrifted by their President. But, I do have to wonder if some of Hawaii's voters aren't wondering about the wisdom of the decisions they made back then. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Exactly! The media totally pulls for the left. SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>>  | |||
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https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-kids-still-missing/ Maui search crews have allegedly found over 450 bodies, according to a local resident who is leading a grassroots relief effort to aid victims of the fire that decimated the town of Lahaina earlier this month. “They’re not giving the number until they toe-tag them and identify them, which is understandable,” he said. “It’s guaranteed in the four hundreds. More than likely you’re going to get to 850 or 900 — with 40 percent being kids,” he said. He said he did not want to discuss the children too much, out of respect for parents holding out hope. “But a lot of people didn’t do that. A lot of kids were home because the school got called out because there was no electricity. And when there’s no electricity, they can’t feed the kids lunch and breakfast. So they keep them home, which makes sense. But they got called out and parents went to work and the kids were at home by themselves,” he said. “Whole families are lost — huddled in cars hugging each other. This is firsthand. Like a husband and wife hugging each other on Front Street in the car Breitbart News reached out to Maui Police Department to confirm the number of bodies found, but did not immediately receive a response. So far, Maui authorities have only announced 115 dead, with 100 percent of the area searched. “The 388 names are a subset of a larger list,” Steven Merrill, a special agent from the FBI’s Honolulu field office, said at a press conference. “I don’t want to lose sight of the fact that we still have hundreds of other names where we still need more information.” Maui Police Chief John Pelletier said that some of the dead may never be found or identified. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Jesus I don't expect it, but there are officials who need to be imprisoned for lengthy terms, although this will not rise to the level of proper justice for their crimes. I guess the Goddamned news media are covering for these criminals and for the indifference and inaction of our Federal government and most especially, the Biden administration. Filth and crooks, every last one of them. | |||
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I read that the high school kids were sent home that morning because of power outages, but the elementary and intermediate schools were returning from summer vacation and starting session the day after. Over 3000 kids in the school district, were at home, most with both parents working. In the weeks following, approx. half of them were re-enrolled in other schools including long distance online, and joined private schools. The other half...  "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Oh dear Lord!! I can't even imagine! NO ONE CAN! I just PRAY they succumbed to smoke inhalation and were gone before the flames got them. Man oh man oh man..... "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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Being a simpleton, I wonder what will it take to wake people up?! | |||
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20 minute inter-island flight? Perhaps not possible but could choppers have been used to help save at least some kids or people? These are large numbers. The article was very sad to read. God help the gov if it’s discovered that one of their children was saved because of privilege whereas nobody else was allowed. How horrible to not be permitted to even try to save your child. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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I agree 100% | |||
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