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| Staring back from the abyss  |
While he did work with Pius XII (responsible for saving nearly a million Jews, and honored by Golda Meir for his actions) his "modernization" (which ushered in Vatican II), many would argue, was unnecessary and damaged the Church immeasurably. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven!  |
I think the next Pope will be an Italian again, there's going to be a lot of pushing from the Italian faction to make this happen after the past 3 non-Italian Popes since 1978. I'd love to see this ultra conservative from Africa get the position but given the above and how liberal the Catholic church seems to be moving, I don't think it's going to happen. | |||
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^^^^^^^^^ I disagree. They are still behind the times. Bet you got a lot out of the Latin mass. My aunt got mad and skipped mass for 30 years. Each to his own. Many people cannot handle change and value old traditions. | |||
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I got an awful lot out of the Latin masses!! I am assuming that you never went to one, or didn't participate in it. | |||
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You assume incorrectly. Let me remind you that the only participation was between the priest and the two altar boys. Elderly women looked down and prayed the rosary and clutched their Saint Joseph missals. Since I grew up in an ethnic neighborhood the priests did not speak English. Vatican two changed a lot for the good.Sadly Pope John did not live to see it. | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss |
As well they should be.  God's word doesn't change to suit the whims of man. Rather, man should comply with God's word and 2000-year-old tradition passed down from the Apostles. He made the rules. We don't have to like them, but we should live by them as they were instituted rather than change them to suit our desires. The latter is putting man above God and that's kind of a no-no. Modernism is a heresy. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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The priests and nuns that taught me were progressive, not regressive. All my friends before college were Protestant or Jewish. My Uncle and Grandfather were both ministers. I worked for several years in Southern Applachia, a number of them drank poison and handled rattlesnakes to show their faith. | |||
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You have your opinion, and I have mine......they differ!! | |||
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Amen Gustofer! Amen. John The key to enforcement is to punish the violator, not an inanimate object. The punishment of inanimate objects for the commission of a crime or carelessness is an affront to stupidity. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
^^^ I agree. Cardinal Pietro Parolin is a modernist progressive with a globalist vision, he would be the worst possible. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I agree. I'm not Catholic, but regardless of the denomination, our beliefs shouldn't be defined by surrounding culture, or "the times." Biblical truth is the standard, and that doesn't change with cultural norms. | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^^ Read Documents of Vatican Two and then you will have some understanding. The changes he put forth are not what you think. Catholic beliefs are not defined by surrounding culture. For example ther are no women who are priests, unlike Episcopalians. | |||
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