I just wrote a personal check to buy a $3K pistol. Easier and safer than using Paypal, cheaper than paying for a cashier's check or buying three money orders, and much cheaper than paying a 3% credit card surcharge, which in this case wasn't even an option.

As far as automated tipping goes, I use it frequently, but I usually enter a custom amount similar to what I might dig out of my pocket in change, or I will round up to the nearest dollar. I almost never use one of the pre-set percentage options.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

Person involved also equals no tip. I am not tipping a cashier for doing the job for which they are already paid, and the attempts at shaming people into tipping in instances where in the past it wasn't even a consideration is not going to work on me and on many others. I consider it a defect of character to allow one's self to be brow-beaten into that which is tantamount to extortion.

And actually, this shameful practice precisely fits the textbook definition:

extortion ĭk-stôr′shən noun

Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.

The act or an instance of extorting something, as by psychological pressure.

An excessive or exorbitant charge.

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THIS, YES
I pre-pay the carwash annually for my business rig.
As I drive thru the sticker reader pre-pay line, the hourly wage paid numbnuts says "how about a tip"?
I give them one; my driving finger.

fucking gangsters
out of control

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Guns don't kill people - Alec Baldwin kills people.
He's never been a straight shooter.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords

^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmm. Do you have them in your home? Are they interesting conversationalists?

Obviously you're not well-versed in classic Simpsons episodes.

I worked as a waiter in my parent's restaurant in high school in the late 80's. I made a crapload of $. More than I would have ever made at a fast food restaurant. The only servers that bitches about tips are servers that sucks. We had a few servers that didn't understand that. They got let go pretty soon. It isn't that hard.

If you are attentive and check on your tables often, you will get a good tip. There is your occasional tightwad...but in a crowd, there will always be a not so great human being. I helped with the carryout as well....never ever expected a tip from that aspect.

So no...if you are working at a counter and doing your job..you are not getting a tip. If you want one, then go wait a table where you can actually make a difference and 'earn' that tip.

We were at a place yesterday that added some confusion to this. They prominently promote on their menus that they are proud members of Living Wage For Us, Inc.

Link to description on their website.

Link to the organization website

This was a bit puzzling since the blurb in menu was nowhere near as specific as on the restaurant website, so does this mean we're European style where the restaurant is foot this, we're still expected to tip, some hybrid?? Made even more uncertain since the prices for everything from cocktails to dessert were high, not outrageous but clearly 10-20% above what you'd normally see.

As you can see on the website, the restaurant is essentially guaranteeing at least $16.75/hr.

Reading the website, it seems clear the employees are assured of a base level of comp, the SOURCE of that is what's uncertain. I guess as much of it is funded by the guests goes against that, and the rest from the owners? Heck, I can see a world where the tips exceed that amount, and the restaurant actually profits more from the increase prices!

The actual check was an even more weird/new experience which on the heels of all the above made me think about this thread. Copy below:



Oh, so I can just check a box for anything that's at least 20% up to 25%. Thanks so much! Of course we were with a friend on her own check, and she is in the no tip on tax camp and was even more befuddled....

^^^^ I pointed this out elsewhere when I noticed something similar on the check. The percentages don't match up with the total, and it's in the restaurant's favor.

I'm assuming the amount of $122.08 is your total with tax. Even assuming that you're paying your tip including the tax:

20% of $122.08 is $24.42, not $26
22% of $122.08 is $26.87, not $28.50
25% of $122.08 is $30.32, not $32.50.

Another thing I've started to notice is everyone seems to be asking for a donation at checkout now, I just saw it in a Big Lots store and my local grocery store chain Giant. You can't proceed until you tap past the question about if you want to donate to XYZ charity.

Yea, the math never seems to be right on these receipts. I can only assume that’s intentional since it is always in their favor.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Yea, the math never seems to be right on these receipts. I can only assume that’s intentional since it is always in their favor.

they are just rounding off (up) for our convenience - it looks they round up and then add a $1.50 for the service (of rounding off (up) the numbers).

Adding tax to the tip? And also to any card fee.
Restaurant and prepared food sales tax is a low low 11.1% where I live
I don't go to restaurants in City limits anymore.

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.if you are working at a counter and doing your job..you are not getting a tip. If you want one, then go wait a table where you can actually make a difference and 'earn' that tip.

Sadly it's no longer true, ordered a couple of Subs to go yesterday, paying by CC the receipt had a section for tip, just for handing it through the window. They didn't have the suggested %'s as above but it's there.

One way to defeat that system is to carry cash for OTC pick up purchases, then you'll never get that option presented. Pay n go...

Digital purchases are the norm and now digital tip requests are as well...

For those who have shopped at a commissary on a US military base, the baggers typically work solely for tips. It's helpful for many young mothers as they don't have to juggle groceries into the car along with kids or for expectant mothers. Even though I was fully capable, I still used them and gave them a couple of dollars. Helped keep the money in the military community.

I think this everyone asks for a tip thing is turning people against tipping. Got Chipotle last week, nope, didn't tip. You didn't do anything out of what you were supposed to do. Same for Firehouse Subs (one of V-Tail and mines favorite lunch spots). Now if they brought the food to the table and refilled drinks, that's a different matter.

HRK,

Have you seen the "no tipping" signs at Publix? That's a place where the employees actually care to be yet company policy is no tips. I assume that's for the baggers bringing groceries to your car for you.

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it looks they round up and then add a $1.50

That could very easily be an additional $50,000 or more per year at a busy establishment.

This nonsense is out of hand every where I go the dam business wants me to tip there employees instead of paying them more. I will not be guilt tripped into paying a tip.

Get this I bought a donut awhile back a single donut and the girl at the register with a sour puss face reaches into the glass case for 1 second grabs it and made sure to turn the screen around asking for a tip.

Seriously you have a easy job that you get paid for and want a freaking tip? Hell I'll grab my own donut and do your job so I don't have to tip you.

Suffice to say she didn't get the tip and I put the donut shop on my black list to never return.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
HRK,

Have you seen the "no tipping" signs at Publix? That's a place where the employees actually care to be yet company policy is no tips. I assume that's for the baggers bringing groceries to your car for you.

Yes sir I have, and one of the reasons we still shop there even though Aldi and Y'all Mart are less expensive.

Kroger Delivery service is in the State, they don't allow tipping if you use their delivery service which has a fee of $4 to $10 based on price and distance. It's a very good service and I prefer to use it over their "no fee service" through Insta-Cart.

If you join their "free delivery" program it's not Kroger employees, it's InstaCare and their program relies on tipping the driver. Plus I don't want my food in someones personal car since many people don't keep the vehicles clean, at least to my standard of clean,

Krogers employees are quality, and the delivery vehicles refrigerated, it's worth the extra fee.

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Originally posted by dfens:


I will not be guilt tripped into paying a tip.

Get this I bought a donut awhile back a single donut and the girl at the register with a sour puss face reaches into the glass case for 1 second grabs it and made sure to turn the screen around asking for a tip.

And that is the worst part of all of this. It's not really the asking for a tip, it's the uncomfortable spot they put you in now and stare you down and guilt trip you.

The pushback has begun:

How consumers are choosing to fight back against 'guilt tipping' shame

--Over the pandemic Americans started tipping larger sums - more frequently

--But now they are fed-up with machines increasingly pressuring them to tip more

--Payment data indicates that the average restaurant tip is now on the decline

I lay this at the feet of poor math skills. Lol. It’s a percentage. When prices go up the tip goes up. There never was a GOOD reason to pressure for higher tip percentages. It became a social pressure thing, don’t be a cheapskate. As your bill became higher the tip became higher by extension.

I know this might sound pompous but if people grasped math better this might have been avoided. Dovetail in the fact that a bunch of these systems figure the tip percentages wrong and it’s even worse.

When I get a bill with 18, 22, and 25% already figured out it’s annoying that 15 wasn’t even considered. It’s doubly annoying when I can’t find a single number on the bill that equates to their calculations. And it is ALWAYS on the high side.

I’m a 15% for solid, more for better, less for poor. If they don’t like that then learn a skilled trade. And never for takeout or handing me a product across a counter.

I just ordered Chinese food the other day. I ordered online, paid in person, and drove over and picked it up. They charged a dollar convenience fee. Not sure how me not picking up the phone and ordering that way is inconvenient for them. Then when I order, yep, tips on the screen. For what?

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Originally posted by pedropcola:

I just ordered Chinese food the other day. I ordered online, paid in person, and drove over and picked it up. They charged a dollar convenience fee. Not sure how me not picking up the phone and ordering that way is inconvenient for them. Then when I order, yep, tips on the screen. For what?

They are passing on the cost of the online ordering service they are using to you. The other day I went to get a hoagie from a local pizza place and saw their website offers online ordering. Got to checkout and they want to charge me $2 extra for that. Yeah, right. Cancel order. Pick up phone. It sucked anyway so I won't be going back there.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I just ordered Chinese food the other day. I ordered online, paid in person, and drove over and picked it up. They charged a dollar convenience fee. Not sure how me not picking up the phone and ordering that way is inconvenient for them. Then when I order, yep, tips on the screen. For what?

Sure they weren't attempting to pass-on the credit card swipe fee that every retailer gets dinged with for each transaction?

Not saying right or, wrong but retailers layering-in tips, and miscellaneous line-item charges has become a source of aggravation.