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Originally posted by IrishWind:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dynorat:
Wonder where he was before 2019.

https://www.thehour.com/norwal...onvicted-felon-to-80

Similar name, close age, in age.

Page not found.

Stupid smart phone,try this.

https://www.thehour.com/norwal...felon-to-8008671.php

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Originally posted by sdy:
“We look at the data and that statistic shows that racial disparity is so unambiguous and so extreme that I couldn’t even justify,” she said….

“In Michigan, about 80 percent of people who are incarcerated on a felony firearm charge are Black, even though our statewide population for that race is only 14 percent ,” Siemon said. “

I guess she either never took statistics or slept through it.

To know what statistics mean you have to look at the underlying data. E.g.: It's just possible 80% of felony firearms charges are Black is because 80%, or at least a good portion of that 80%, of firearms violations are committed by Blacks?

To be fair: My guess is 80% of firearms violations probably aren't committed by blacks. My guess is some portion of the disparity is in outcomes, which is likely a result of economic disparities. E.g.: Non-Black defendants are more often able to afford better counsel than Black defendants.

But to just outright claim that the vast majority of Black firearms felony charges are bogus based upon "only 14% of the population is Black" is specious.

I’m glad your daughter is safe. I’m sorry she and your family are going through this.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by sdy:
“We look at the data and that statistic shows that racial disparity is so unambiguous and so extreme that I couldn’t even justify,” she said….

“In Michigan, about 80 percent of people who are incarcerated on a felony firearm charge are Black, even though our statewide population for that race is only 14 percent ,” Siemon said. “

I guess she either never took statistics or slept through it.

To know what statistics mean you have to look at the underlying data. E.g.: It's just possible 80% of felony firearms charges are Black is because 80%, or at least a good portion of that 80%, of firearms violations are committed by Blacks?

To be fair: My guess is 80% of firearms violations probably aren't committed by blacks. My guess is some portion of the disparity is in outcomes, which is likely a result of economic disparities. E.g.: Non-Black defendants are more often able to afford better counsel than Black defendants.

But to just outright claim that the vast majority of Black firearms felony charges are bogus based upon "only 14% of the population is Black" is specious.

You don't actually SEE the problem because of your White Privilege. Your Inherent Bias is showing. And all of that "MATH" you are showing us, well, we all know math is racist! Next thing you'll say is that "those that identify as women" don't commit crimes like this. That's because of your misogynistic, homophobic attitude toward crime.
You really need to change your attitude, or we'll cancel you on Facebook!

Our illustrious Attorney General on McRae’s conviction:

Attorney General Dana Nessel says it’s not that simple. McRae had no previous convictions, so he never would have seen a five year sentence.

“The guidelines are very low you don’t have any prior offenses so it’s I don’t wanna say it’s unlikely it’s at this point almost impossible for a person to actually serve time for it, so when I see people saying well, he should’ve done five years for carrying a concealed weapon, first thing that’s such a common offense that we’d have to build new prisons. Secondly, the way the guidelines are squared right now, it’s just impractical and improbable that that would actually occur,” Nessel says.

Nessel says the main challenge is making sure those not allowed to have guns don’t get them.

She says that would take a massive increase in resources

Ever notice how these people can come up with no end of excuses for not pursuing and prosecuting gun crimes while, at the time time, coming up with no end of reasons why law-abiding gun owners should be penalized?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Ever notice how these people can come up with no end of excuses for not pursuing and prosecuting gun crimes while, at the time time, coming up with no end of reasons why law-abiding gun owners should be penalized?

The politicians are oh so predictable. Where do they come up with "67 mass shootings in just the first two months of this year"?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Ever notice how these people can come up with no end of excuses for not pursuing and prosecuting gun crimes while, at the time time, coming up with no end of reasons why law-abiding gun owners should be penalized?

If they didn't drop felony gun charges, and incarcerated people who commit crimes with guns, eventually gun crime would drop significantly.

Of course at that point, your political party anti-gun platform would cease to have any merit.

Can't have that....

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Originally posted by Tn226:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Ever notice how these people can come up with no end of excuses for not pursuing and prosecuting gun crimes while, at the time time, coming up with no end of reasons why law-abiding gun owners should be penalized?

The politicians are oh so predictable. Where do they come up with "67 mass shootings in just the first two months of this year"?

ANY shooting, even those justifiable or by police are lumped into these statistics. No liberal has ever been worried about the truth getting in the way of their narrative.

Let us not forget the fact that it is unconscionable to even think about approaching an infringement of the rights of a mentally ill person or a criminal, but they will run rough shod over the rights of a good, upstanding, citizen.

I noticed that the MSU students rallied almost immediately against guns. Amazing considering the connection the governor has with MSU.

This was a failure alright, it was a failure of the system to get a dangerous person off the streets and into proper treatment, however the focus is on the object as always. There is a lot of responsibility to spread around here from the system, to police, to his father... who clearly took zero steps to prevent this from happening. This seems to be a trap in our society, no one wants to infringe on the rights of dangerous people, then once they do something really bad people demand to know wny nothing was done.

I also wonder how many of the students on campus, participated in BLM and anti/Defund the Police protests were more than happy to have hundreds of them on campus that evening to 'protect' them.

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Originally posted by Tn226:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Ever notice how these people can come up with no end of excuses for not pursuing and prosecuting gun crimes while, at the time time, coming up with no end of reasons why law-abiding gun owners should be penalized?

The politicians are oh so predictable. Where do they come up with "67 mass shootings in just the first two months of this year"?

The count bangers having a shootout over shoes as "mass shootings." The wine mommies flick their beans raw to that fear porn, and they've been well conditioned to hear "mass shooting" and immediately think about dead kindergartners. Anything to get those words out. Same with "school shootings" being lumped in with late night gang activities, or a shooting near school property, not even a school, just the fucking bus barn or the central kitchen, or suicides in the parking lot. It's all just so much jerking off, and the perpetually outraged and terrified love it, and it makes money and keeps the right people in office, so it's not going to stop any time soon.

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Originally posted by airsoft guy:
The count bangers having a shootout over shoes as "mass shootings." The wine mommies flick their beans raw to that fear porn, and they've been well conditioned to hear "mass shooting" and immediately think about dead kindergartners. Anything to get those words out. Same with "school shootings" being lumped in with late night gang activities, or a shooting near school property, not even a school, just the fucking bus barn or the central kitchen, or suicides in the parking lot. It's all just so much jerking off, and the perpetually outraged and terrified love it, and it makes money and keeps the right people in office, so it's not going to stop any time soon.

I consider myself quite capable of turning a colorful phrase, but no one in this forum compares to airsoft guy.

And he's correct- if anyone in the news media ever had the integrity to look closely at the incidents which count as "mass shootings" these days, we would find out that most of them turn out to be just another Saturday night in Philly or Chicago or other dem-controlled rat hole cities.

https://www.breitbart.com/clip...e-there-are-so-many/

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) rejected arguments that forcing prosecutors to see through felony firearms charges would help prevent mass shootings like the Michigan State University shooting — whose perpetrator was originally charged with a felony gun crime — because so many people illegally carry guns in the state, that if everyone who did so was incarcerated, they’d have to build more prisons and so “it’s not a matter of incarcerating our way through this problem, it’s a matter of making guns less accessible and available to people.”

"Carrying a concealed weapon is the crime that this individual, Mr. McRae, was originally charged with. In Michigan, that’s technically a five-year felony. But our guidelines in Michigan really don’t even allow someone to spend much time at all in jail unless they have many previous offenses . And, as far as I know, this was a first-time weapons-related offense for this individual. That is such a common crime here that, if we were to lock up everyone who illegally carried a gun, we’d have to build more prisons. So, to me, it’s not a matter of incarcerating our way through this problem, it’s a matter of making guns less accessible and available to people.”

if that doesn't make any sense to you, you passed the test

So she’s saying being in prison or having felony conviction does not limit a person’s access to guns? Or is she saying the solution to not enforcing the existing law is to create more laws and not enforce those as well because, huh?

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Originally posted by sdy:
"So, to me, it’s not a matter of incarcerating our way through this problem, it’s a matter of making guns less accessible and available to people.” -- Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D)

Typical leftist solution: Rather than penalize criminals, penalize law-abiding citizens.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
So she’s saying being in prison or having felony conviction does not limit a person’s access to guns? Or is she saying the solution to not enforcing the existing law is to create more laws and not enforce those as well because, huh?

What she's saying is "No amount of laws can prevent shootings, but also we need more laws"

Really she is saying what all leftists truly believe, which is that nobody should be held personally accountable for anything. Particularly not anyone in the protected classes. She isn't personally responsible for not enforcing laws and criminals aren't responsible for breaking laws.

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Originally posted by sdy:
...because so many people illegally carry guns in the state, that if everyone who did so was incarcerated, they’d have to build more prisons ...

Uhhh, yeah, do that. Build more damn prisons.

It seems to me, I look around this country, and we don't have an incarceration problem. The problem is that a lot more people should be in prison.

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Originally posted by sdy:
https://www.breitbart.com/clip...e-there-are-so-many/

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) rejected arguments that forcing prosecutors to see through felony firearms charges would help prevent mass shootings like the Michigan State University shooting — whose perpetrator was originally charged with a felony gun crime — because so many people illegally carry guns in the state, that if everyone who did so was incarcerated, they’d have to build more prisons and so “it’s not a matter of incarcerating our way through this problem, it’s a matter of making guns less accessible and available to people.”

"Carrying a concealed weapon is the crime that this individual, Mr. McRae, was originally charged with. In Michigan, that’s technically a five-year felony. But our guidelines in Michigan really don’t even allow someone to spend much time at all in jail unless they have many previous offenses . And, as far as I know, this was a first-time weapons-related offense for this individual. That is such a common crime here that, if we were to lock up everyone who illegally carried a gun, we’d have to build more prisons. So, to me, it’s not a matter of incarcerating our way through this problem, it’s a matter of making guns less accessible and available to people.”

if that doesn't make any sense to you, you passed the test

While claiming the state "can't incarcerate it's way out of the problem" (of "gun violence"), these people ignore the fact that a FELONY conviction doesn't necessarily equate to a prison sentence and the conviction alone would have prohibited the offender from being able to LAWFULLY purchase the firearm(s) apparently used to commit these crimes. Does anyone else notice the irony that these same legislators that virtue signal with their demands for more laws, absolutely refuse to insure that earlier laws (many of which they created) are enforced?

Application of "equity" based refusals to prosecute offenders not only encourages them to commit more crimes, it tells the general populace the justice system is largely irrelevant. The void created by this lack of law enforcement is encouraging even the most law abiding to consider vigilantism and committing "crimes of necessity" as a part of "normal" life. Disgusting!!!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by sdy:
...because so many people illegally carry guns in the state, that if everyone who did so was incarcerated, they’d have to build more prisons ...

Uhhh, yeah, do that. Build more damn prisons.

It seems to me, I look around this country, and we don't have an incarceration problem. The problem is that a lot more people should be in prison.

The lack of prison "housing" is directly attributable to the refusal of these "progressives" to upgrade or build new facilities at the same time they are tearing them down as quickly as possible. They created the situation where these laws are meaningless and those inclined have no reason not to commit crimes.

I seem to recall that an Arizona Sheriff put violators in tent cities and fed them green bologna sandwiches.

flashguy

What a waste of bologna. You could use that for compost.