After seeing those shoes I didn't need ask any questions on race.

a-holes whitmer and slotkin were first on the briefing this AM, spent a few seconds patronizing the loss, then started in with politicization...sickening

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Additional chaos.

Thanks for your sensible explanation of how these things transpire and why the responses are what they are.

In this country incidents with more than one assailant are extremely rare for a variety of reasons.
Incidents with multiple assailants with someone outside waiting to pick off people who are fleeing are even rarer.
Incidents with actual functional explosives are extremely rare.
Nevertheless, panicky people who don’t know any of that and couldn’t tell the difference between a pomegranate and an M67 or between a Glock and a glockenspiel may report all of those things and accept and repeat such reports that they hear without thought or question.

And despite how rare all those things are (including how rare the incidents are themselves), the police can’t ignore any possibility and they must respond as if reports of them are true.

Furthermore, despite how incompetently some police agencies and officers may respond to real incidents, most are dedicated and want to do whatever they can as well as they can. The ones that make the news because of incompetence are rare and are usually universally condemned by other law enforcement officers.

Well the Detroit News has deleted the article with the FB link, what a surprise.

But the revised article has this gem in it:
In October 2019, Ingham County prosecutors added a second charge against McRae: possession of a loaded firearm in a vehicle, a misdemeanor.

That same month, October 2019, McRae agreed to plead guilty to the lesser misdemeanor charge, and prosecutors dismissed the felony charge.

The Ingham County Prosecutor's Office didn't immediately respond to a request for comment Tuesday.

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Originally posted by sse:
a-holes whitmer and slotkin were first on the briefing this AM, spent a few seconds patronizing the loss, then started in with politicization...sickening

Of course they did.

That's why I handle these things in the manner I do:

When I first hear about it I check the TV to see if it's being covered. If it is: I wait until they mention the salient "facts" as they "know" them at the time, then turn it off

The next day (usually) I check the "news" to find out what was the outcome. Then I turn it off. (Wasn't necessary, this time, as SF had the synopsis.)

After that I watch to see if any new info, previously unknown, shows up. Otherwise I disregard the "news." All it'll be is mostly personal interest stories and political posturing.

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Originally posted by shovelhead:
Well the Detroit News has deleted the article with the FB link, what a surprise.

Surprised they mentioned it in the first place. It's inconvenient to their narrative.

I just ran across this video.

Granted everyone reacts to a stressful situation differently. Interesting choices made by this individual who was in the room where the shooting began.

If you noted on his FB page, he is originally from Trenton, NJ. One of the school systems, in a township abutting Trenton, closed down all their schools today "in an abundance of caution." I found one article that said it was because of a note found on the shooter - but they were not forthcoming about what it was. Just a strange link close to (my) home.

Adios,

Pizza Bob

My daughter is a senior at Hope College. She knew the young woman that was murdered. What a waste.

If I ran a university with a campus of any significant size, I would invest in a gunfire location system. Uses microphones to listen to, and then triangulate, the location of gunfire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...12EFE0430100007FABC5

Anthony Dwayne McRae, the gunman who killed three students and critically injured five others at Michigan State University before killing himself, “kept lying” about owning a gun in their home after his 2019 arrest and shooting the firearm in the backyard, his father told The Washington Post.

Michael McRae said his son had bought a gun sometime after he was arrested in 2019 on a weapons violation but never admitted that he had it in the house and refused to show it to his father. When the father confronted the son about gunshots he heard in his backyard in Lansing, he said, Anthony McRae told him it was fireworks, even after Michael McRae saw bullet casings on the grass.

“I told him to get rid of the gun,” the 66-year-old father told The Post. “He kept lying to me about it and told me he got rid of it.”

The father said his 43-year-old son had struggled in the two-plus years after Linda McRae, Anthony’s mother, died of a stroke in 2020. Michael McRae noted how his son was “grieving and crying a lot” and “stayed in his room like a turtle” for hours at a time whenever he was home.

“He never let me in the room to show me the gun,” the father said. “If he showed it to me, I would have put it in the garbage.”

Michael McRae noted that his son was “depressed and overly stressed out” due to his mother’s death and not working for months. He offered his apologies to the families of the victims, adding that he hoped they could one day “forgive my son for what he’s done.”

“He was a mama’s boy, and he never really got over that his mom was gone,” the father told The Post. “I could see that he was changing, but I never thought in my life that he would do something crazy like this.”

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Anthony McRae, the shooter who killed three and injured five at Michigan State University and then killed himself, had a note in his pocket indicating threats against two schools in Ewing, N.J., where he has family ties, police said Tuesday.

The Ewing Police Department said in a news release that the New Jersey State Police informed it at 6 a.m. Tuesday of the connection to McRae in a shooting that happened about 670 miles away. Public records show that McRae, 43, has at least two or three relatives living in Ewing, about four miles northwest of the state capital, Trenton.

“When McRae was found by police in Michigan, he had a note in his pocket that indicated a threat to two Ewing Public Schools,” the department said.

“We can confirm that there was in fact a note and it is currently being investigated by law enforcement,” Michigan State University police tweeted late Tuesday morning.

One of the things that I noticed, briefly mentioned on the local NBC News at noon. His father stated that the shooter did all day was sit in his home and play video games.

How often does this fact appear in connection with incidents like this?

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ow often does this fact appear in connection with incidents like this?

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Incidental finding. Motives are complex for school shooters. Certainly not a causative factor by any means.

When I saw the huge police response and the multiple erroneous reports of what was actually happening, I wondered how in the hell the various police agencies were able to manage or control their search for the shooter.
Glad our members kid is ok.

Having been to a couple of these incidents, information coming from 911 callers and our Police radios is total chaos.

1. With a multitude of callers, the initial suspect descriptions are a tall short slender fat white black brown man/woman who is completely bald with long hair.....Yes, that was how much descriptions changed.

2. Not one, not two, not three, not four but five different fucking idiots reported a W/M in dark clothing with a long gun.....who was in fact a fully uniformed police officer with a rifle who was the first on scene. Not kidding. One of the callers KNEW he was a cop but didn't think he should have an evil black assault rifle.....in the middle of an active shooter incident.

3. Gunshots inside large buildings or around clusters of buildings are usually badly distorted, making it very tough to get an accurate location unless the person hearing it is really close to it. In a mall we had reports of gunshots from the opposite end of where we knew the shooter was and it was due to stores dropping heir security gates going into lock down. These reports still have to be treated as real and officers have to respond to them.

4. Typical response is usually 1 (first 1-4 officers on scene) or 2 contact teams (if a larger building, this team usually added a bit later) but large areas will require more contact teams. Note contact teams are going in to hunt the shooter(s), nothing else. Rescue Teams will be going in to cold or warm zones (areas where the shooter is or is suspected to be are the hot zones) providing security for EMTs/Paramedics/Fire Department to start working on the injured.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
When I saw the huge police response and the multiple erroneous reports of what was actually happening, I wondered how in the hell the various police agencies were able to manage or control their search for the shooter.
Glad our members kid is ok.

If you saw the pics released last night about 11:00 p.m., really not hard to identify him. A caller recognized him and told them where to find him.

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Originally posted by PASig:
There is an CCTV image of the shooter going around and it’s clear that he is black.

One article I saw stated “possibly black”, it must have hurt them bad to have to say that.

The stream I watched last night, they described him several times and went out of their way to not mention his race.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
After seeing those shoes I didn't need ask any questions on race.

Seriously. Someone in that stream said something about it being possible that he had removed the jacket or hat and may look different than that security footage still. My first thought was "bet he didn't change those shoes, though."

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“He never let me in the room to show me the gun,” the father said. “If he showed it to me, I would have put it in the garbage.”

For someone else, maybe a kid to find? What a fucking nitwit.

1flyinDO:

I'm glad that your Daughter is safe!
Hopefully the other kid on her team pulls through quickly and makes a full recovery.

If there's anything that you, your Daughter or the other kid needs, please let us know.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
One of the things that I noticed, briefly mentioned on the local NBC News at noon. His father stated that the shooter did all day was sit in his home and play video games.

How often does this fact appear in connection with incidents like this?

Also known as mass killer training. To sit around and massacre people in a video “game” is desensitizing and plants the seed in the already challenged mind.
If television ads work, so do violent video games.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jed7s9b:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rightwire:
One of the things that I noticed, briefly mentioned on the local NBC News at noon. His father stated that the shooter did all day was sit in his home and play video games.

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43 years old and playing video games all day.

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Originally posted by sse:
a-holes whitmer and slotkin were first on the briefing this AM, spent a few seconds patronizing the loss, then started in with politicization...sickening

Yes, like this Michigan Democrat brat.



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Classy. . And lying about his so called "facts".