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Oriental Redneck |
Yep. OP you better have a manual to go b Edited for spelling.  This message has been edited. Last edited by: 12131, Q | |||
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| No double standards |
Sidenote to Aglifter. For the first 20 years out of college I worked for earth science firms (but on the business end). Seems plate tectonics became prominent science in the mid/late 1950's. In the late 1970's the head scientist of the USGS commented along the lines of "in the past 20 years we have learned much more about plate tectonics than we ever imagined. At this rate, in 20 more years we will be able to predict earthquakes". In the mid 1990's the head scientist of USGS commented along the lines of "in the last 20 years we have learned much more about plate tectonics than we imagined. And now we know we will never be able to predict earthquakes". The CA Northridge earthquake hit in Jan 1994. The energy waves were read at Mt Lasson CA. The USGS later commented "the readings were not what we expected, our seismic models are wrong. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Ammoholic |
I will preface by saying that I am not an evangelical Christian. The first thing that came to mind when reading the thread title was correct: This is the wrong question. I guess it might be more obvious to some if the question were Hiring/Firing a Jew..., or Hiring/Firing a woman..., or Hiring/Firing someone who is <whatever skin color>... The correct question is Hiring/Firing a teacher who refuses to teach the curriculum..., and it answers itself. The stuff that was posted that may expose the poster (and his school) to liability is irrelevant. It may be the reason why the teacher refuses to teach the curriculum, but so what. The reason for termination (and I agree, if one can just not renew without giving a reason, that is better) is failure/refusal to teach the curriculum. There is no reason to go any farther than that, no reason for animosity, no reason to question the teachers mental state. Any and all of those just create potential problems. | |||
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| Big Stack |
You need to talk to the school district's lawyers. This is incredibly jurisdiction dependent, down to the language of the school district's contract with the teacher's union (assuming that there is one in that district.) And even if he's wrong, he can sue and/or file grievances / complaints with any applicable government agencies. If so, you'll be forced to spend money to defend against them. You still have to do it. You just need to know what you're getting yourself into.
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| No double standards |
^^^^^^^^ slosig, you make a lot of sense. I do wonder re double standards. If someone taught material outside of the curriculum, but material that was socially/politically popular for the day, would that teacher be treated differently than the matter here? (I taught in public college in CA for 20 years. The curriculum there is determined by social/political correctness) "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Yes, but you know that working in academia. And frankly, IMO all teachers teach material outside the curriculum, whether they mean to or not. They teach character and a lot more by example. Hopefully they teach how to be good humans. | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
Scoutmaster, I know I went off topic, but that’s, kinda, my point. Kids that age could be taught basic chemistry and physics. Everyone involved should have the math to do harmonic motion, and molality, etc. It could be shown to them, and they could do the math, and it would be something real, instead of having a teacher, who lacks the education to understand the material, proselytize a position of “scientism”. I’m not trying to dispute plate tectonics, a I’m disputing the ability of the average middle school teacher and a bunch of 13 years olds to comprehend it in a meaningful fashion. | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I think there's an easy solution for teaching this: "There are two schools of thought:
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| No double standards |
I wasn't questioning your content. Merely a sidenote on plate tectonics (a science I find fascinating). "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| No double standards |
Excellent resonse. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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A Grateful American |
Since you brought it outside to show everybody... I seriously question your ability to lead, given that you brought this hot mess to show and tell and the telling is more than you think. As jimmy123x and other's have stated, you need to talk with counsel on how to go forward. At this point, because of your argument, and if you have spoken to any faculty as you have to us, you will likely lose if you even mention failure to follow curriculum, as his defense is the issue of religion. And then the tar baby gets handed to you. This one is red meat. And as Jew, that taught Hebrew School to children at 7-10 age, I taught them about Christianity and touched on several other religions to a degree. Because they live in a society where the great number of people are influenced, even if not "believers". Not to dispute or contend, but to know how to talk about such things. (the point about teaching "other views" as V-Tail stated) "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
I'm an evangelical Christian and briefly dated a gal who was both an evangelical Christiana and taught middle school science. That's how she taught her first year and mandatory state test scores were abysmal. Her 2nd year, she taught both theories AND made sure to reinforce that Creation is the right answer on the {standardized test}. Test scores weren't much better, and she was pretty disheartened. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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| Member |
Try Dayton, Tennessee school District. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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| Freethinker |
“[A]ll sides to a scientific debate over theory cannot be equal, unless they are all wrong.” — Frank Salter | |||
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| Green grass and high tides  |
This is a prime example of why the public school systems needs to be dismantled and kicked to the curb. The BS the public schools have been pushing for several decades are as harmful to young children as anything else by a long shot. Let people decide how and what their children are taught. Plain and simple. The administrations and teachers in public schools are toxic. Simple as that. The garbage kids are exposed too is horrendous and I am not necessarily talking about this example. Although I am not sure this guy is the best for the kids either. Not enough information from the op. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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Wait, what? |
The earth is billions of years old. I’m sorry but only a fool thinks it’s 6000. That is the fullest extreme of ignorance. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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| Purveyor of Death and Destruction  |
Oh really? | |||
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SIGForum Official Hand Model |
If you think its flat, you should be sent to the edge and dropped into the ocean. What would give people the idea, the earth is only 6000 years old? I guess its the same ones who think Trump was sent by God. Or maybe God told them to play the lottery numbers who won $150 bucks. Fire him. Let the school board deal with it, or find some highly leftist whacko's and explain to them what he is doing. It will take care of itself on the local 6pm news. "da evil Count Glockula."-Para | |||
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| No double standards |
Agree. Two quick sidenotes. My son graduated at the top of his "liberal" high school. IIRC he got all A's, except for a C in a leadership class, because he applied his Eagle Scout leadership skills rather than the liberal mantra. He did very well academically in college (is now a medical doctor). But he commented "my high school did nothing to prepare me to perform on a college level". Years ago I attended an "emergency" school district meeting re their liberal (and faulty) high school curriculum. One person there commented "I am the VP of Human Resources at XYZ company (a name brand Silicon Valley firm). I can't hire local talent because you are teaching too much politically correct junk and not nearly enough of the 3 R's (now STEM). "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Wait, what? |
We have documented and verified civilizations that are FAR older than 6000 years. The math saying the earth is 6000 years old is absurdly wrong. And that is just human development. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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