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Originally posted by triggertreat:
A Principle of a school coming to a forum to ask opinions about something like this should IMHO be removed from his job.Your board should be involved .Remember what you put on the internet is forever (mental illness).


Why? Asking for advice isn’t necessarily a bad thing. We don’t always have all the answers and getting the opinion and viewpoints of others can assist in making a better decision.


He has made his mind up.



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A Principle of a school …

Well, I suppose principals should have principles.
 
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"I formally signed off today on not renewing this dumbasses contract, he isn't tenured so I can do that but are there any other legal loopholes I need to watch out for?"


If you don't have to give a reason, don't.


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Originally posted by triggertreat:
A Principle of a school coming to a forum to ask opinions about something like this should IMHO be removed from his job.Your board should be involved .Remember what you put on the internet is forever (mental illness).


I agree.

You call this guy a dumbass but here you are on an internet forum asking for legal advice. Roll Eyes

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Posts: 7411 | Location: Raymore, Missouri | Registered: June 24, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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New Mexican, I’m guessing you’re not actually a troll, given your post count, so why don’t you explain plate tectonics, without more advanced mathematics.

7th grade is what, geometry? Tidal forces alone would be a bit much.
 
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Good grief, I think you have your answer. Yes, this is a thing. Just fire the guy for not teaching the approved curriculum.
 
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Sound like to me your beef is his religion.
You better tread lightly on any termination, I see a real lawsuit potential for him.
Besides you cant really resolve this without termination?
God forbid him if he also only thinks there are two genders, huh? Eek
 
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His references were 50/50

All I’ll ask about is the “His references were 50/50” statement.
I have minimal understanding of hiring processes these days, but I was under the vague impression that giving someone an actual unfavorable employment reference had been an invitation for a successful adverse lawsuit for decades. Could someone like a teacher of all people get anything worse than, “Yeah, he worked here,” as a reference?




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Posts: 47951 | Location: 10,150 Feet Above Sea Level in Colorado | Registered: April 04, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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What he is teaching is religious doctrine, not science. If your school is a public school, I would think this would be a violation of church state separation.

He is free to believe as he wishes, but not impose his religious views on the children of others who may not share his views. A school supported by tax money should not be used to indoctrinate students with religious dogma.

If it were my kids in that school, I would demand the teacher be fired.

I’m surprised that someone has not already protested on constitutional grounds.
 
Posts: 1623 | Location: Texas Hill Country | Registered: April 07, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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His references were 50/50

All I’ll ask about is the “His references were 50/50” statement.
I have minimal understanding of hiring processes these days, but I was under the vague impression that giving someone an actual unfavorable employment reference had been an invitation for a successful adverse lawsuit for decades. Could someone like a teacher of all people get anything worse than, “Yeah, he worked here,” as a reference?


I've found that in reference checks like this, you need to be skilled in reading between the lines or picking up on the unsaid. I have yet to contact a reference that overtly said "this person is a no-go". And the only hire at the school I have been involved in where we did get info of this sort came through a back channel to the hiring firm we had retained for a business office/admin position (where I'm assuming people might be more direct about their former employee's failings).

Even more so now, schools are having to get whomever they can. The last time I went to hire (2 years ago), the talent pool was so shallow I had only two viable candidates to choose from and went with the one who, while not the greatest, knew the subject material more masterfully and had substituted for us, and thus had at least a head start on understanding the student body.

Although my field is much more niche, I know my science department chair colleague has been having a major struggle this year to find a remotely qualified candidate.

And we're a private school, so we don't require state licensure which allows for a broader applicant pool (and, for example, a lot of our science teachers actually came from working in industry and not from career teaching).


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... I have yet to contact a reference that overtly said "this person is a no-go"...
99% of the time this has been my experience. The 1% was when the rocket surgeon blurted out that he used to work with my Mom (i.e. he inadvertently gave my Mom as a reference). When I called Mom, she used much stronger words than "no go" Big Grin



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New Mexican, I’m guessing you’re not actually a troll, given your post count, so why don’t you explain plate tectonics, without more advanced mathematics.

7th grade is what, geometry? Tidal forces alone would be a bit much.


7th grade math is more along the lines of Pre-Algebra. Geometry is not for a couple more years depending on the student and curriculum. One doesn't need to understand terminal ballistics to understand the 3 rules of firearm safety. Likewise a 7th grade level Earth Science class requires damn near zero math to introduce such topics as continental drift. The only one trolling here is you.



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If your the principal don't also be the schools quasi legal counsel. I get the budgets are small in a 150 person school but hire a lawyer to handle what may end up as a lawsuit anyway.


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Posts: 5210 | Location: Boca Raton, FL The Gunshine State | Registered: July 30, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I truly understand how hard it is for many people to break away from what has been forced into their impressionable minds since they first stepped foot into a public school.
Not only is it hard to wrap your head around the idea that much of what you have been taught as absolute fact, is in fact, absolutely wrong, but in the process of seeking out truth and applying real scientific methods to discover truths, you will be referred to as "mentally ill" if you cite findings that support anything other than the "scientific" dogma of the day.
As a Christian, I struggled with some of these things. However, my own growing faith aside, the scientific data and support for what the Bible teaches, as opposed to what is being taught in public schools, is so much stronger it cannot be denied by anyone looking at it from an objective standpoint.
The global flood and the seismic events surrounding it as described in the Bible explain much of what we see in the fossil record, plate tectonics, as well as the ever adjusting global weather patterns that an event like that would bring about.
Now that we have the technology to better understand DNA and it's four dimensional nature, it is scientifically absurd to think that we essentially evolved from cosmic goo. It is statistically impossible.

The fact is, that thousands of scientists all over the world and their findings strongly support what your "mentally ill" teacher is explaining to those kids.

I applaud your teacher for being courageous enough to speak the truth to those kids. I'm sure he understands, as many of us do, that speaking the truth will largely land one into hardship. We need people like him to speak out against the "scientific" nonsense that is being shoved down our children's throats, along with other things such as the 1619 project and transgender studies, just to name a few. What is increasingly passing as education in public schools theses days makes me ill.

Newmexican, the liberals highjacked the American public education system a long time ago. Systematically eradicating anything at all to do with Biblically supported teaching is just one (albeit a big one) of many things they are doing to socially engineer our children to look to all mighty government for all their answers and needs. As far as I'm concerned your actions are supporting this. Do you personally have a line in the sand? I'm assuming that since you are a longstanding member of this forum that you are a generally conservative fellow, are you not? So again, where is your line in the sand? Your "mentally ill" teacher drew his line. At some point, as a conservative at least, the Marxists running our education system in America are going to make you stand firm on something you hold dear. I hope you have a boss that understands and has your back, as opposed to signing your pink slip in order to make room for someone else who will toe the line.




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You and/or your school board need to consult with an attorney that practices employment law in your state for this and future employment situations.
I would not post anymore on the internet concerning this situation and would edit past posts to remove disparaging references.
I don't disagree that this guy needs to go. Just the amateur hour approach you are using here.


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I've seen people that, for their entire career, taught or enforced ideals in which they strictly did not believe. Teachers saying that they finally retired from a job that they had to teach things that they knew were not true. Police or government officials/workers that were pleased to not have to enforce laws they found reprehensible.

I'd much rather be like the teacher in this case that sticks to his guns and doesn't back down to draw a check. I can say that I was fired for religious reasons in the past. Now I work for myself so that can't ever happen again.
 
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New Mexican, I’m guessing you’re not actually a troll, given your post count, so why don’t you explain plate tectonics, without more advanced mathematics.

7th grade is what, geometry? Tidal forces alone would be a bit much.


7th grade math is more along the lines of Pre-Algebra. Geometry is not for a couple more years depending on the student and curriculum. One doesn't need to understand terminal ballistics to understand the 3 rules of firearm safety. Likewise a 7th grade level Earth Science class requires damn near zero math to introduce such topics as continental drift. The only one trolling here is you.


We learned about such things by the 4th grade. Could help that I live in the Ring of Fire, and earthquakes and volcanoes are a thing we might have to deal with around here, and understanding the processes that cause them can help with the fears associated with them.

Speaking of 4th grade, my teacher was some kook who told me scientists had proven evolution was a lie, the Big Bang never happened, and creation was literally what is written in the Bible. Even as a kid, I knew he was either full of shit, or possibly retarded, but he was most definitely a dickhead. Your faith is your business, but if you want to teach such nonsense, keep it in Sunday school. The Earth isn't 6,000 years old, dinosaurs aren't a trick, and the universe is more amazing and complicated than magic from the sky, and none of that is at odds with faith in a higher power.



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Originally posted by newmexican:. . . I've never had to let a guy go for mental illness before, just trying to make sure I do it the right way. . .


So his views don't align with your views, and you deem such as mentally ill?

Some years ago a nationally recognized scientist asked me "How many scientific truths of 50 years ago do we laugh at today? Roll forward. How many scientific truths of today will we laugh at in 50 years?"




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My jaw is on the floor from some of the responses in this thread. Incredible.


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He has every right to believe what ever he wants... but he does not have the right to teach what is contrary to what your school promotes.... he even has the 'right' / choice to leave if he doesn't want to do that.

He should find a school that promotes his beliefs.

the first indication that there was going to be a problem was in your original post and the number of places he had 'taught' at before you.


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