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Caribou gorn |
https://twitter.com/libertysaf.../1699245595867971969 This guy was apparently arrested on January 6.  I'm gonna vote for the funniest frog with the loudest croak on the highest log. | ||
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| Thank you Very little  |
They could have just hired Stella Bridger.. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Defund the FBI. Nothing is "safe". "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
Will never get a Liberty Safe - now.  | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
they need to change the name of their company. . | |||
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For what possible reason? You think that companies (or individuals) should deny responding to a valid warrant from the FBI. WTF> There is so much wrong with that idea. And in addition the FBI is getting into the safe with or without help from the mfg. Second the owner has to be a total idiot for the information that Liberty provided to be useful. Third if it turns out that the FBI could use the info to enter the safe without destroying it when the owner wins in court he doesn't have to buy a new safe. etc.... “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Was the warrant directed at Liberty in any way? Doesn't sound like it. If that's the case, why should Liberty give a shit about a warrant that has nothing to do with them? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I have no idea what the scope of the warrant was. And I would assume that Liberty was represented by competent representation to decide that they were going to respond. As I said in my earlier post their help is in fact meaningless to the situation so why would anyone care that they responded? “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
That is my take. Without an order directed at Liberty (which they could have contested), they should tell the FBI to pound sand. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Yea that’s bullshit. Apple doesn’t open phones for a warrant as far as I know. Valid warrant or not, the best business stance is to stay the fuck out of it. You want the combo? Then get a warrant for Liberty's records. Bad company policy in my mind. | |||
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| I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not |
If there was a legal warrant I don't have a problem with it. But how did they know the access code? a master code for all safes? Seems like it could be a security issue for everyone if Liberty was hacked. That being said... it took a locksmith 10 minutes to get into mine. I am surprised the FBI didn't go that route!!! | |||
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…So the party that preaches at us to stay out of a woman’s right to choose and pontificates to us about staying out of the bedroom now believes that what is in a safe is what actually matters? | |||
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Sounds like the FBI wanted to show publicly what they could do. There seems to be a lot of that lately with them and other parts of the government. | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
Better question, is this accurate? He was arrested over 2.5 years ago and they're just now getting around to accessing his safe? Unsure on this case, but there are apparently quite a few J6 people that are yet to have their cases heard after more than 2.5 years, and some have been in jail the entire time. Think about that... Many of these people have been held this entire time, denied bail by federal prosecutors/DC Judges, quite a few for "parading". It's truly sick. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Doesn't appear the warrant was directed at Liberty, but, at Liberty's customer. One could reasonably argue Liberty should not have disclosed what one might reasonably assume to be privileged information without a warrant demanding it. This is probably true. How many safe owners do you suppose actually read all the information that comes with their safes? True. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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safe & sound |
Liberty, and many other manufacturers will give me the codes or combinations over the phone with a simple verification of who I am. I myself have been involved in warrant openings. The police call, ask for us to show up, show us the warrant, show us the safe, and we do what we do. On lighter safes it is not uncommon for them to even call the fire department or even go after it themselves. The feds have their own in house safe guys. Safe cracking tools are available to law enforcement. Most people simply give up the combination when faced with a "open it or we will open it for you" request. I would not simply give up a combination for a warrant. I would for a court order.
Any security professional will tell you the majority of electronic locks have the ability to possess more than one code. This can be something along the lines of a master reset code, or an additional user code. The majority of safe manufacturers retain one of these codes in their records. If you have a mechanical combination lock, that combination is retained in their records. If the person who sold you the safe did not warn you of this, then shame on them. If they did not even know, then shame on them even more. Also a good reason not to shop for your security via a big box store or typical retailer. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
a1abdj: Thanks for providing us with the benefit of your expertise.
That sounds reasonable. The bottom line is: if the government wants into your safe bad enough they are going to get into your safe. But safe companies don't have to help them. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Thank you Very little |
If you were arrested last year for your Jan 6 activities, then having anything of consequence in the safe would by your mistake for not moving it before any warrant was issued | |||
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| Unflappable Enginerd |
Ok, having looked around a bit, this guy was arrested last week. My original sentiments stand regarding J6'ers being held for this long though. If they are opening this guys safe now, then it's primarily to disarm him, and IF he still has anything inculpatory 2.5 years later in his safe, he's not very smart. I believe this is the guy: Identified by his ears, Arkansas man is arrested in Capitol riot __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
https://twitter.com/hodgetwins...e-january-6-n2163468 "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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