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The honking will continue until freedom improves. It's almost as if certain folks are paid to | |||
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All I know is that those truckers are going to spend a small fortune in diesel to get to Washington. | |||
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The Beltway is not in DC (except for one tiny stretch in Anacostia). People who live and work in the District The convoys will screw up traffic in Maryland and Virginia. Virginia, the state that just elected a conservative governor who killed mask mandates in schools, is rolling back last year's gun control laws, pulled the state out of the ERA consortium, and is investigating the Leftist school board in Loudon County that hid sex crimes against kids, etc. Virginia is a red state again, by a thin margin. Many of the people who will be affected in Virginia are military and a lot are working people who provide goods and services to the whole area. I'm just guessing, but a lot of them are probably conservative in political bent. This area has a great listenership for conservative Talk Radio. Don't confuse these folks with the leadership elites that run things. Do the convoy organizers know that most of the Beltway in Virginia has high-speed lanes (aka Lexus Lanes) that you pay for with EZ Pass but which avoid traffic and trucks? No trucks allowed in those lanes. So they'll still function, and rich people who can afford $18 from Springfield to the American Legion Bridge will fly on their way. The little people -- yes, many of them presumably conservatives or independents -- will suffer. No sacrifice too large for someone else to make, it sounds like. | |||
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Para, Am I okay here to have an opinion that differs from the group? | |||
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Certainly, but you know what I am saying is true, don't you? Does my lame joke make you feel as if you can't speak your mind? Have you ever seen me being subtle when I have a sledge hammer at all times here? If I had something I wanted to say, I'd say it, and I think you know this. | |||
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| When you fall, I will be there to catch you -With love, the floor |
How quickly they forget. Not long ago...  Now they are called "terrorists"? 30 years of LE and I can't remember ever having an issue with a trucker outside of accidents. | |||
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This is truly the LEAST disruptive or damaging thing the truckers could do to Washington D.C. I have been stuck there during a major snowstorm for a long weekend. No trucks got into the city. Everything shut down, and food was limited to say the least. Now imagine if the truckers truly DID go on strike. No blocking of roads, just no deliveries of anything to Washington DC for say, a week. Like most cities, there is only 3-5 days of food in the stores and warehouses. All the essentials stopped. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Yeah, nobody would get their Schlitz and Funyuns... | |||
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Para, Thanks. I know I'm swimming against the tide today, that's for sure. | |||
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The convoys will screw up traffic in Maryland and Virginia. Virginia, the state that just elected a conservative governor who killed mask mandates in schools, is rolling back last year's gun control laws, pulled the state out of the ERA consortium, and is investigating the Leftist school board in Loudon County that hid sex crimes against kids, etc. Virginia is a red state again, by a thin margin. Many of the people who will be affected in Virginia are military and a lot are working people who provide goods and services to the whole area. I'm just guessing, but a lot of them are probably conservative in political bent. This area has a great listenership for conservative Talk Radio. Don't confuse these folks with the leadership elites that run things. Most of the VA residents close to the DC area DID NOT, in a majority, elect a conservative governor. the "little" people in the rest of the state did. I'd wager most of them support the convoy. | |||
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Please cry a little more, my God. I live in Virginia, I travel the beltway, hundreds of people I know drive around it every day. I may have to work overtime or overnight and cover someone's shift because they can't make it in. I am sorry if you are inconvenienced for a day while they drive around and wave some flags and have their voices heard. DC gets shut down a dozen times a year or more for rallies, parades, protests, etc hell they boarded nearly every store in town up before the elections because they thought DJT might win and were afraid of the left. We get heavy snow storms every now and then that make the roads impassable. Shit happens in life, best not to cry about it, just deal with it and let the people be heard. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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So do people worry that because of the inconvenience in the area for a few weeks - will move people to start supporting Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Ron Klain, Susan Rice, Blinking, winkin and nod? "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Are you kidding? After your last failed attempt to overthrow the government!! Oh no, they're getting ready for "insurrection 2.0"  | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
OK, but that's kinda the point I'm trying to make. The overwhelming majority of users for the overwhelming majority of trips are people who make money off of Uncah Ho squatting in the White House - whether they're "leadership" or "rich" or not. As sigmonkey pointed out, these mandates have been everything from a major problem to a life-shifting crisis (think of all the people who've been thrown out of work) over the entire country. When you say "No sacrifice too large for someone else to make" you're not just being snarky and selfish. You're deliberately ignoring the misery that these mandates have put millions of Americans through. You're not just barking up the wrong tree here. You're sniffing another male dog's crotch. | |||
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It was people in Northern Virginia who had enough of MacAuliffe telling them they had no business being involved in their kids' education. The rural areas downstate voted GOP but they always do. Enough people (parents) from Northern Virginia thought about it and flipped to make the overall difference GOP, even if Northern Virginia is majority Democrat. The Trucker's convoy will become Governor Youngkin's problem when they get to Virginia. If they block traffic, they will have to confront Virginia State Police -- a pretty conservative bunch, from the ones I've met. Don't say they won't block traffic, because there is nothing to this convoy thing if they don't block traffic. This convoy may feel great in a sloganeering sort of way but it is not a good idea if you are conservative in your outlook, for a lot of reasons. I suspect, and you probably do too, that a lot of Leftists are licking their chops thinking about how the convoy will screw up DC and help them win people over to their side. Maybe they will be violent, they are hoping. Maybe they will make life miserable for those people in Virginia who voted for Youngkin. | |||
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People who will change and vote democrat because of the convey are not conservatives in the first place. They are part of the problem, not the solution. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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I never said I liked the mandates, or that they haven't had a bad effect. What I'm saying is the trucker convoy is a bad tactic to draw attention to that because it impedes other people's freedoms too. It may work against the cause of fighting mandates. As for the last comment, that's back to the ad hominem stuff. No need for that. Read what I am saying, but don't read into it things that are not there. | |||
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| Fire begets Fire |
Some of y’all sound like that guy in downtown Ottawa who complained he couldn’t hear his TV because of all the honking. Good grief… "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
That was Trudeau's theory, too, but by all accounts it certainly didn't work out that way.
No one said that you did. We were talking about your suggestion that the convoy was a bad idea. As for what you called an ad hominem attack, I'd say it was a colorful argument that your position was wildly misguided and perfectly appropriate as such. | |||
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| Fire begets Fire |
And he started walking away just a couple hours ago… He knows he overstepped. Thankfully the peaceful protests by the truckers pointed that out to him. Edit: I see your deleted your glowing post. ??? "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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