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My personal observation of the classifieds is that its become a huge WTB section. Very little actually being offered, and that which is, isn't much to look at. I'm not trying to shit on anyone's belongings, but its become increasingly disconnected from the heart of SIGforum, SIG pistols, parts, other collectibles. When you can see an Ad that would be common place - years ago and it sticks out to you simply for that reason, then I think the omission of the subforum becomes more acceptable. This probably has a bit to do with the current times, and with the fact that P-series sigs are becoming a bit more collectible with current production. Trade-ins arent popping up for $299 anymore, etc. What I'm getting at is that if the classifieds disappeared tomorrow, I don't think a single dedicated member would find SIGforum any less alluring. I've used it probably more than most but I certainly wouldn't hesitate to visit next time if it were gone. It's a shame but perhaps the risk outweighs the reward in current times. Too much demand and not enough supply contributes to the likelyhood of these sorts of things happening. Banning the sale of firearms would likely limit the wreckless behaviour of buyers a bit, but whats the point in that? It seems all or nothing is the decision and I gotta say. With whats going on I'd let it go and kill two birds with one stone, get rid of the thieves, and those that simply use the forum to make a dollar. Sad but necessary I suppose. IF the decision is to keep it, I can only think of this. 1. NO WTB ads - Anyone knowledgeable enough to make a decision on firearms or similar items SHOULD be knowledgeable enough to know a plethora of other sites where they can find it for sale. I realize this takes away that sense of security buying from an established SIGFORUM member, but that sense is clearly gone with the thieves making their entrance. 2. Some sort of feedback system. On other forum I wont even respond to ads from a member with 0 feedback. Here, I tend to take the members length of time on the forum as equivalent. This doesn't prevent folks from having their account info stolen and someone posting in their name here. But that's only prevented by removing the section completely so I guess that's a risk that will always be present with such a subforum. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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Are some of you guys thinking before you post? You say you sympathize & appreciate all the work Para puts into keeping SF running and keeping scammers out, and yet you suggest additions to make the Classifieds section safer, such as:
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I think the ideas being put forth more show a fondness for the forum and desire to keep the classfieds than to cause more work for Para. I'd wager hes not taking it that way either. There has also been offers to assist in whatever way necessary. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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Banning the sale of firearms? This is a Sig forum, not craigslist. The classifieds of a firearms forum is (or should be) for the buying/selling/trading of firearms and directly related accessories specific to the type of forum it is. Banning WTB posts? Because you think there are other sites where these people can find what they are looking for? Again, this is the Sig forum. Where else would a guy go if he's looking for say, a P226 NSW? Or a M11B? Sig made a lot of low production number firearms and if you happen to be on the hunt for one, where else exactly, would you go if you wanted to find one? | |||
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To your first point, I stated, what's the point of not selling firearms (on Sigforum) To your second point, yes, there are plenty of places to find Sigs beside sigforum. Including an entire auction site with many more eyes and vendors. Furthermore, having your only post until now be in said classifieds looking for an M11, I can see your opinion being short sighted. Best of luck. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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And when is the last time you have seen a M11B on that internet auction site? With what, only 50 in the wild, you think they just pop up every week? If you want the rare stuff, you have to go where that stuff is. It's like hunting, you don't hunt polar bears in Texas. And yes, I am looking for one, and I posted a WTB in the classifieds. Short sided, maybe. But I thank you for your luck wishes. | |||
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I come from the school that at the end of the line, the only thing you really have is your reputation. I have always embraced that. Just a thought. I have no idea about how to do the IT portion but several forums (other than Gun forums) have a premier/premium member level, in which a minimum amount of posts are required, and an annual fee is paid . This allows you to be a seller. not that it would 100% guarantee, some slimy seller would rip off another member, but it would reduce the hit and run sellers. They also have a feedback rating 1-5 stars or a +/-, thumbs up/thumbs down allowing buyers to let others know if they had a positive/negative experience. _________________________ | |||
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Agreeing here. The escrow service is the only one that doesn’t cause more issues than it solves but the cost of it would pretty much negate the benefit of buying and selling here. What’s the point of paying more than a new item would cost at a brick and mortar shop? The private messaging system would have to be not private and scrutinized and there’s already enough work for the staff doing that in the public messaging. There are those that don’t bother reading the sticky notes that already exist. | |||
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I'll add that I don't buy or sell a lot but the few transactions here were without issue. It would be disappointing to see it go, but understand the reason. ------------------------------------------------ 9/11/01 Never Forget "In valor there is hope" - Tacitus | |||
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I'm curious, did you read the top two bold threads in the classifieds? | |||
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The first post in each. Not the entire thread. What did I miss? | |||
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I have bought and sold a few things here in the past, firearms and ammunition and all transactions have gone smoothly. Well, there was that one time I bought some batteries several years ago…I did get my money back after law enforcement got involved. I still look and would not hesitate to buy or sell here but always use caution. Not that he needs it but I will support Para in whatever decision Para makes about the Classifieds. | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
I can't disagree with this. Even a year or two ago, there were all kinds of neat guns popping up. Nothing I could afford or was looking to buy, but it was interesting nonetheless to window shop and see what was available. Then the gun panic happened and it's been tumbleweeds. Maybe because people are hanging onto what they have, and maybe because Para had a stop to the scalping that has been going on everywhere else even to now. Who knows? But it is not the same classifieds it used to be. It's got the modern gun show vibe, with people selling belt buckles and other knick-knacks alongside surplus parts and magazines. That's fine, it's just not the same. Now with that said....
The few times I've used the classifieds lately, I was looking for stock Beretta 92 grips and a used Safariland holster. I know I can find those things online, but while offering to pay a fair price, the grips were gifted to me (thank you again, you know who you are) and the holster, I think I paid $30 for a holster that was sitting in a closet, no longer being used. I know you're talking more about WTB gun ads, and those are the people getting targeted for a fucking, but honestly, I think that same good treatment between members extends to gun sales as well, and shutting it down means some forum members aren't going to be able to give or get those good deals they would otherwise. I think this was more an inevitability than anything else. It's unfortunate, but it's been coming. I have little doubt these scammers are a network, or at least trade notes, and somewhere online is something to the effect that Sigforum is a fertile fishing spot. This has been happening with increased frequency lately, and I think it will probably only pick up. Forum members who choose to not take their due diligence are going to get screwed. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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I hope there’s a workaround for shutting the classifieds down; I’ve found some things I’ve been looking for at great prices and sold some things at great prices that I know other members were really happy with. I’ve also engaged in some horse trading that would be nearly impossible to accomplish anywhere else. Another forum I occasionally visit has a post limit that has to be hit before you can buy/sell there. This seems like a good way to weed out liars and scammers when every post they make is something inane like “I like it” or “yes!” “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
While some in this thread have presented this as a potential problem with spam, a number of times, I have seen someone shit-canned for exactly this. If not that, called out for it. If not moderated as heavily, it could be an indicator of such a thing. However, if you're not willing to scan a member's post history to see if they give you the scammer vibes, you're not going to be looking for spam, either. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
You missed the 'content' of those threads...Not everything one should glean in those two threads is in the first post! ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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The classifieds are helpful to find things that are not necessarily available or if one lives in a small town without a larger sporting goods store are the only option other than ordering on-line. In a case of a P7 PSP, or Sig 225, or P6, for instance, I have found holsters here which have not been produced for decades. Closing the classifieds is understandable and will not be the end of the site. When posting to sell, trade, or buy here, I generally say, post on my ad and everyone does before the deal is made. So far, no one has tried the shenanigans with me. I guess the concept of honor is more important than money is a concept foreign to so many, but it is a principle that says what we believe here. If one is known on the net, an email may be visible even without hacking an account here. If in doubt, search an email on the net. If it comes up with scam reports, with sellers sending identical emails, it is telling. | |||
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| Freethinker |
What a novel notion—thinking before posting.  From my standpoint, I hope a reasonable way can be found to keep it going. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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I have been ripped off by "unsavory" carbon based life forms. It happened way before the internet was up and running (full page magazine ad). Happened again, (local ad) about a two years ago. The "techniques" used by those seeking to steal are limitless and can be difficult to discern. Even FTF can be a pitfall, a retail outlet can even be scam front. Do as much as you can to 'protect' yourself, but be aware there are those who view you as a 'target' and easy pickings! Remember the song "Smiling Faces"? -------------------------------- On the inside looking out, but not to the west, it's the PRK and its minions! | |||
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