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Originally posted by 220-9er:
It wasn't clear how long he's been saying stuff like this on public forums but I'm surprised he didn't get a serious look even sooner.

Lot's of people seem to be not very aware since most of the school shooters and other mass casualty crazies telegraph their intentions and exhibit extra strange behavior beforehand.

Local FBI office likely has a file on him, probably chalked up as one of a handful of the local nuts. His posts and ramblings intensified and they made USSS aware, launching a more serious look. With POTUS scheduled to visit the area, his posts became more vitriolic, and he got moved from the random-crazy list to the serious-crazy list. Considering this guy's age and his physical condition he doesn't strike anybody as being able to act-out on his claims, however his activities must've intensified setting off warning bells.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
It's a real head-scratcher, that. They serve a warrant the morning biden landed in Utah.

Though the FBI executed the search warrant, the USSS routinely pays visits to credible threats to the president on the day of a visit. This allows them to determine the location of a credible threat, and also gauge the mood of the person.

Keep in mind that this guy claimed to have an M24 and had posted pics of himself holding a scoped rifle and wearing a ghillie suit. I imagine they take such a thing more seriously than someone pointing a Lorcin .380 at the camera, regardless of the person's age.

RichardC, would you care to share your suspicions with the forum?

The way the article was written, I suspect(ed) that we will see nearly identical articles appearing on scores of mainstream media outlets in short order.

Meaning what?

That the GDC' are ready, willing and able, even eager to use this moron's actions and demise to its fullest propaganda potential.

What is so difficult about plain speaking? Do you not believe that this guy has been issuing public threats for months? Do you not believe he told the FBI they would need a warrant to speak with him, and when they came back with that warrant, there was a confrontation, and that this guy is actually dead?

You think all of this was staged?

Tell me, please, what you think is so suspicious about all of this- specifically. Plain. English.

Despite the crazy posts, warrant etc ~ it would nice to know exactly what caused deadly force including any body cam footage.

You can rest assured that that evidence exists.

Any regular reader of this forum who thinks I am a fan of the FBI has not been paying attention.

Those of you who are suspicious about this incident have no evidence, whereas this guy left a trail of evidence going back to at least last year.

You don't like it that someone who claimed to be aligned with Trump and MAGA showed his ass so badly? Join the club, but that doesn't change any of this. Just because it bothers you, that doesn't make it false or staged, or a conspiracy of some sort. This guy is honest-to-goodness graveyard dead, and that's reality.

So the president is flying into a CITY and this guy is going to play sniper in a Gilli suit? How hidden can one be in an urban environment dressed like a bush? His Cracker Jack box was short a toy.

(Some of) you guys (and gals) know that the world is chock full o' crazy, right?

Anything from "ha-ha" crazy, all the way to rubbing poo-poo on yourself bat shit crazy.

It doesn't matter on race, religion, sex, politics and economics. There's crazy all over the damn place.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes it just "is what it is". It doesn't have to make sense, it will have "loose ends", and may or may not be pretty. Most of the time, Occam's razor applies.

nohesjustapatsy

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
So the president is flying into a CITY and this guy is going to play sniper in a Gilli suit? How hidden can one be in an urban environment dressed like a bush? His Cracker Jack box was short a toy.

I’m not too sure about that

Look up Texas Bushman on YT you be laughing for sure but good example of hiding in plain site. I tried embedding but I don’t think it works from an IPad. His favorite place is the San Antonio River walk.

Unfortunately for for his blind son, it seems as though he got what he wanted. No reason for it really. Just a guy who wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Despite the crazy posts, warrant etc ~ it would nice to know exactly what caused deadly force including any body cam footage.

Never seen any agent wear body cams. Actually they used to brag about not having to wear them. I loved how FBI moved the body to the curb and let it sit there for all the neighbors to see for several hours. Having done death investigations for a better part of my LEO career I have never seen that before. Class act FBI,

One of the things that surprised me working for 43 years for Social Security is the number of people who are just plain bat shit crazy. And the crazy frequently manifests itself with thoughts that the government, the CIA or the FBI or politicians are after them, personally. Many of these crazies are on Social Security Disability. Several times I had occasion to provide information to the USSS. I will say that all information provided was by the book. One occasion was very memorable to me. One of the cases involved a lunatic who was on parole and said he was in love with the daughter of the President at the time. She was in college at the time and I am sure she walked to classes. This guy was incapable of managing his benefits and wanted us to contact the daughter to get her to file to be his payee. He had several criminal convictions for stalking women and one for assault. He never made a threat, but nevertheless, to me this required a contact with them. The USSS got his parole revoked and back in the slammer he went.

I don’t know the details of the reasoning behind it, but I have read more than once that Federal law enforcement agents don’t wear body cameras as a matter of official policy. That comes up these days when state or local LEOs are involved in joint operations with them. Body cameras can certainly be of value in many situations, but like so many things, just because some agencies don’t use them doesn’t prove any nefarious intent.

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Originally posted by 12GA:
Unfortunately for for his blind son, it seems as though he got what he wanted. No reason for it really. Just a guy who wanted to go out in a blaze of glory ignomony.

FIFY

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I don’t know the details of the reasoning behind it, but I have read more than once that Federal law enforcement agents don’t wear body cameras as a matter of official policy. That comes up these days when state or local LEOs are involved in joint operations with them. Body cameras can certainly be of value in many situations, but like so many things, just because some agencies don’t use them doesn’t prove any nefarious intent.

The FBI doesn’t video record their interviews. They only use a form that the agent documents what was said and done. Which is rife for tampering.

They don’t do regular LE duties, so they don’t wear cameras. I was in DC last month and they have uniformed FBI POLICE outside the place and even in that uniform they didn’t have a body camera.

^^^It's 'almost' as if they don't want any verifiable evidence of their actions...I guess we are expected to believe that the FBI can rely on the 'Fidelity' and 'Integrity' alone, so no need for anything else in the 21st Century!

Now to be clear, I am in NO WAY insinuating anything nefarious occurred in this instance, and obviously the 'Utah man' made some VERY poor choices, at least in what he chose to post on the internet. That said, it's reported that he was 'killed around 6:15 AM' while FBI agents were attempting to serve a warrant and that 'the individual had a weapon'. Sooo, was it a No-knock raid while it was still dark out? Was the guy woke/startled from his sleep? Did the guy believe it was a home invasion? Maybe, or maybe he simply made some more bad choices, OR maybe he was just hellbent on going out in a blaze of glory! Unfortunately, we may never know the details.

Should we have an expectation to know the details here? Probably yes. Do we deserve to know? Not really sure, but it would certainly be nice to know, wouldn't it? Maybe the FBI could/should update their policies on such things...

Just to be clear, every federal agency is getting body cams under a Trump era policy. Every federal agency is fielding a certain number of body cams right now.

The big hang up has always been two things. “We’ve always did it this way” and the logistics and payment for the storage and retention of video.

Not saying it’s right or wrong, but that’s how it is. Most federal agencies are still working with 1990s technologies.