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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Trump Admin Sends Team to Investigate Free Speech Violations in Britain

Can someone explain to me why we're sticking our nose in this?

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Originally posted by PHPaul:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Trump Admin Sends Team to Investigate Free Speech Violations in Britain

Can someone explain to me why we're sticking our nose in this?

Agree! Why are there STILL illegal aliens in our country? That was the campaign promise: "the largest deportation in US history." There was no mention of JUST the Criminals. I don't care about the landscape, restaurant or construction industries. Hire Americans and pay them fair wages

^^ Dude, it's only been FOUR MONTHS! Meanwhile, there are TWELVE MILLION Illegal Alien Invaders that arrived here since 2021, not to mention the TWENTY MILLION that were already here. It's gonna take a little while longer to complete the 'Largest Deportation Operation in history! They're just getting started and it's probably a good idea to focus on the 'criminals' first, since they're the group most likely to rape and/or murder innocent Americans!

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Originally posted by PHPaul:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Trump Admin Sends Team to Investigate Free Speech Violations in Britain

Can someone explain to me why we're sticking our nose in this?

I see an article’s title with loaded words designed to trigger people’s emotion. They could have titled it, “State Department diplomats to meet with pro-life activists in the UK who were arrested for praying outside abortion clinics”. But no, the posse from the US is going to Great Britain to investigate free speech violations by their government.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by PHPaul:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Trump Admin Sends Team to Investigate Free Speech Violations in Britain

Can someone explain to me why we're sticking our nose in this?

I see an article’s title with loaded words designed to trigger people’s emotion. They could have titled it, “State Department diplomats to meet with pro-life activists in the UK who were arrested for praying outside abortion clinics”. But no, the posse from the US is going to Great Britain to investigate free speech violations by their government.

Again - unless they were US Citizens - why?

Unfortunate that the Brits have fallen down this rabbit hole, but it's none of our business and we have no right to interfere with British laws.

^^^ It’s part of the wider picture, and the article laid it out pretty clearly. And no, Trump expressing his opinion, Vance expressing his opinion, and US officials talking to these Brits are in no way interfering with any British laws.

Because we have leverage! Meanwhile, the UK is convicting people of 'thought crimes'!

Trump has been using trade (through tariffs!) to effect change on many fronts, and since Brexit, the UK has been economically impacted by EU trade policy. Trump wanted one of the first trade deals signed to be with a large 'western' country, in part because we have similar interests and it would probably be easier to close quickly, but this 'may' also be one of the reasons why the Trump Admin chose the UK as well. When the trade deal was signed, Trump said that the US/UK trade deal will only get bigger and better as relations between the two allies grow. Was this simmering on the back burner at the time and part of the that plan? Perhaps...

That said, I'm pretty sure Vance and Rubio are likely providing much of the inertia here and I believe we'll see both of them vocally out front on this.

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^^ Dude, it's only been FOUR MONTHS! Meanwhile, there are TWELVE MILLION Illegal Alien Invaders that arrived here since 2021, not to mention the TWENTY MILLION that were already here. It's gonna take a little while longer to complete the 'Largest Deportation Operation in history! They're just getting started and it's probably a good idea to focus on the 'criminals' first, since they're the group most likely to rape and/or murder innocent Americans!

Yes indeed, we already have pleanty of illegals who never got sent back. I've thought it would be easier to just send back all who came here after biden was installed in the White House. That's when this shit show got our attention. That should not be so hard to figure out, right ? But, if the current administration intends to slow walk this at 1 million per year, we may as well just not enforce it.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ Dude, it's only been FOUR MONTHS! Meanwhile, there are TWELVE MILLION Illegal Alien Invaders that arrived here since 2021, not to mention the TWENTY MILLION that were already here. It's gonna take a little while longer to complete the 'Largest Deportation Operation in history! They're just getting started and it's probably a good idea to focus on the 'criminals' first, since they're the group most likely to rape and/or murder innocent Americans!

No, no, no. Cast the net, catch all kinds of fish, edible and non-edible. Cast the net, catch all kinds of Illegals, are all that are here, are criminals. The really bad ones will be in that net, too. GTFO. BTW, NH, I believe you were a Jersey guy. Have you been back to your old neighborhood? Bet you would be shocked, in Murphy's Sanctuary State. WE are pussy footing around.

^^ You two have a preferred time line on this? A realistic one, that's actually achievable? Got any idea as to the resources required to accomplish your plan? I'd love to hear it...

FWIW, you've all heard Tom Homan say that if there are "collateral" illegals that are picked up while concentrating on the really bad ones, then they go too. It is kind of casting a wide net. Give it time.

As someone who spent 30 years in the Immigration game, you are going to have to give this time, it is just the way it is. Between manpower, holding space, and funding, you can only get so many out per year. The addition of the voluntary departure incentive, where people are flying back free and getting some cash on the other end, is going to be extremely helpful. Tough one to challenge in court too, although I am sure they will. Once the litigation gets settled a bit more in this process, the benefits and incentives continue to be reduced and the removals proceed at a steady pace, more people will remove themselves. Homan has barely started, they are still reorganizing the various agencies to maximize their removal effectiveness. They have been in welcoming/processing mode for four years, it will take a minute or two to get back down to business. If they can remove one million a year and keep entries down to a few hundred a month, that is pretty solid.

^^^ Thanks for your insight, pens68!

I don't agree with paying them to self deport. They ain't going to take that bate. Not with all the freebies, cars and trucks, Americans jobs. Nope. How about, if you crossed over in the south, back packs with provisions and bussed right back across the line. North, right back into Canada. There, is your new homes. It's a lot faster and less expensive than flights. Oh and financially hold those who brought them here. You know, those in places of power. DC ? The untouchables. Make them pay out of pocket for this mess. We either fix it or let it be.

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I don't agree with paying them to self deport. They ain't going to take that bate.

Some will. And probably the least cost solution.

Re: UK - Part of what the UK is threatening is going after US companies for insufficient censoring. As by English mates used to say, “Eff that for a games of skittles.” Might as well step on them hard for all their free speech violations while we’re there supporting US business interests. Makes them look worse, makes us look like we care about free speech, not just our own commercial interests.

Re: deporting - There is so much stupidity in the courts right now that nothing is going to happen fast. While held to a slow pace by the courts (or forced to ignore them, which I’m sure the Ds would just love), doesn’t it make sense to focus on the worst of the worst? Besides, it puts the Ds in the position of defending absolute pieces of slime, which is a great look for them.

Yeah, I want everything fixed yesterday too, but life doesn’t work like that. Maybe we should consider where we are now, what the trend line looks like, and how that might be different had the Ds “won” the election like they did in 2020.

“Doan worry, be happy.”

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Recently, the Trump administration dispatched a team of five State Department diplomats to engage with pro-life activists in the UK who were arrested for quietly praying outside abortion clinics.

I'd rather they do something about the pro-life advocates who were arrested IN THIS COUNTRY for praying outside of abortion clinics.

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Re: UK - Part of what the UK is threatening is going after US companies for insufficient censoring. As by English mates used to say, “Eff that for a games of skittles.” Might as well step on them hard for all their free speech violations while we’re there supporting US business interests. Makes them look worse, makes us look like we care about free speech, not just our own commercial interests.

The UK is supposed to be a close ally to the U.S. We depend on their military in many situations. The current fascist moves of locking people up for online posts is just the beginning of the Muslims taking over UK and Europe. We have to do what we can to bring this to the attention of the British public. Starmer is very unpopular now, because of moves like this. We can't allow it to go unnoticed.

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I don't agree with paying them to self deport. They ain't going to take that bate.

Some will. And probably the least cost solution.

According to everything I'm seeing, it is WAY cheaper to offer the stipend. It costs ~$17k to go through a traditional removal, but about ~$7k including the $1k stipend using CBP Home App. The stipend is just an inducement to get them to comply... There are absolutely people taking the "bate" / bait, not a bunch, but every bit helps. It's $10k cheaper per person, and I believe 65 people used it last week.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ You two have a preferred time line on this? A realistic one, that's actually achievable? Got any idea as to the resources required to accomplish your plan? I'd love to hear it...

I certainly do. Exactly the way Eisehauer did it in Operation wetback. He didn't put up with anything. if you couldn't prove you are a US Citizen or had a valid visa, you were cattle-carred out. THAT'S how you remove 30 million illegal aliens. Use every cop in the nation to round them up. Traffic stops, car accidents, whatever use the public to report them. In the schools, hospitals, and grocery stores. Churches, clinics no place would be safe for them. As previously mentioned a train from long Branch NJ to Penn Station NYC. using NJ Transit, police would fill up 6 buses that would go right to the border. DAILY! THATS's how you remove 30+ million criminal illegal aliens.