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Originally posted by David Lee:
I don't agree with paying them to self deport. They ain't going to take that bate. Not with all the freebies, cars and trucks, Americans jobs. Nope. How about, if you crossed over in the south, back packs with provisions and bussed right back across the line. North, right back into Canada. There, is your new homes. It's a lot faster and less expensive than flights. Oh and financially hold those who brought them here. You know, those in places of power. DC ? The untouchables. Make them pay out of pocket for this mess. We either fix it or let it be.

I get where you are coming from and as a retired Agent, it chaps my ass but as a taxpayer, it only makes sense. It is far cheaper (tens of thousands) for them to leave on their own, even if we pay, and it is most likely going to be the people we aren't going to be concentrating on because they want the ability to return legally some day so they won't have criminal records or prior deportations. As far as if it will work or not, it already is, they filled up their first flight last week. If they utilize it, great! Saves us money, gets rid of illegals, frees up manpower and other limited resources for deportation work. For every one who leaves like this, it will free up time and money to move 5 to 7 more the hard way.

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Originally posted by downtownv:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ You two have a preferred time line on this? A realistic one, that's actually achievable? Got any idea as to the resources required to accomplish your plan? I'd love to hear it...

I certainly do. Exactly the way Eisehauer did it in Operation wetback. He didn't put up with anything. if you couldn't prove you are a US Citizen or had a valid visa, you were cattle-carred out. THAT'S how you remove 30 million illegal aliens. Use every cop in the nation to round them up. Traffic stops, car accidents, whatever use the public to report them. In the schools, hospitals, and grocery stores. Churches, clinics no place would be safe for them. As previously mentioned a train from long Branch NJ to Penn Station NYC. using NJ Transit, police would fill up 6 buses that would go right to the border. DAILY! THATS's how you remove 30+ million criminal illegal aliens.

We deport more in a few weeks than Operation Wetback did. The biggest success even with that operation was fear and cutting off benefits which made people leave on their own. We would never get to 30 or even 20 million deportations, but if you cut off the incentives, punish employers, and show that you are going to take it seriously, then life here isn't as inviting as it once was and it might make more sense to head home and try again legally, that will make a huge dent in the problem.

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Originally posted by downtownv:

I certainly do. Exactly the way Eisehauer did it in Operation wetback. He didn't put up with anything. if you couldn't prove you are a US Citizen or had a valid visa, you were cattle-carred out. THAT'S how you remove 30 million illegal aliens. Use every cop in the nation to round them up. Traffic stops, car accidents, whatever use the public to report them. In the schools, hospitals, and grocery stores. Churches, clinics no place would be safe for them. As previously mentioned a train from long Branch NJ to Penn Station NYC. using NJ Transit, police would fill up 6 buses that would go right to the border. DAILY! THATS's how you remove 30+ million criminal illegal aliens.

I like the cut of your jib sir. Deport them 24/7.

We’ve already seen trucks and cars laden down with everything under tarps headed south on I35 here in Temple. I can only assume that some are leaving to get first in line to return legally.

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Originally posted by pens68:
... but if you cut off the incentives, punish employers, and show that you are going to take it seriously,

No free food, no free healthcare, no free education. Nothing, zero, zip, nada. Any business caught employing them gets an automatic $100,000 fine for the first offense, $500K for #2, and it goes up from there.

We need to stop pussy-footing around with this crap. Just do it.

IF the admin is serious, there are a lot of ways to get 30 million illegals out of the country. Financial, mass arrests. Hell, bounty if necessary. But 30 million is more than 3 NYC's population. A different approach is needed. Start prosecuting the sanctuary city mayors and State governors who encouraged these people.

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Originally posted by pens68:
..., but if you cut off the incentives, punish employers, and show that you are going to take it seriously, then life here isn't as inviting as it once was and it might make more sense to head home and try again legally, that will make a huge dent in the problem.

There’s a lot of wishful they-aughta-do-this about illegal aliens in this thread, but member pens68 speaks with knowledge authority.

I live in a sanctuary State (IL.) and City (Chicago) I hate it but that's life right now.
I believe nothing will change until the bottom drops out. Lets bottom this hell hole out.

Make life a living hell everywhere for the illegals and force them into the sanctuary city's and states.Let the illegals suck what life in these places still exist so the fools that live here can finally get a big helping of the shit harboring them brings.
Of course, cut off all assistance for the illegals and for the sanctuary city and states that harbor them.

One of the easiest things to do is automatically withhold 30% of every money transfer through WalMart, Western Union and anything else where its destination is outside the U.S.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
One of the easiest things to do is automatically withhold 30% of every money transfer through WalMart, Western Union and anything else where its destination is outside the U.S.

Did you know Mexico has a 10% tax on all incoming wires?
We are long overdue for a sending fee/tax. Make it financially not worth being here. No freebies. English only.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
One of the easiest things to do is automatically withhold 30% of every money transfer through WalMart, Western Union and anything else where its destination is outside the U.S.

Don't bother going to the Post Office on Saturday because there will be a line getting money orders.

“Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump have agreed to a prisoner swap days after the US president branded his Russian counterpart 'crazy.' 

The prisoner swap was revealed Tuesday by Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov, who praised Trump as 'a man who wants results' as he spoke at an event in Turkey.

Lavrov said the prisoner swap was agreed amid negotiations over the end of the war in Ukraine, which he sensationally accused European nations of attempting to 'sabotage.' …”

DailyMail article:
https://mol.im/a/14753439

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Any business caught employing them gets an automatic $100,000 fine for the first offense, $500K for #2, and it goes up from there.

It needs to be harsher than that, and mandatory. If the employer is not a full citizen, they also get deported. If a citizen, mandatory jail time. Big fines of the magnitude you suggested will be a deterrent.

This area is full of physical laborers who don't speak English. Usually the business owner or foreman speaks English pretty well, but the rest don't.

They work damn hard and do good work. No doubt most of them aren't violent criminals in their off hours, but those who are illegals are still harming our society and economy.

Take away the paychecks and they'll self deport.

I’m sure President Trump is watching this thread to find out what he needs to do about illegal aliens.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
I’m sure President Trump is watching this thread to find out what he needs to do about illegal aliens.

We can only hope.

Trump Issues Full and Unconditional Pardon to Virginia Sheriff Targeted by Biden

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President Trump on Monday issued a full and unconditional pardon to a Virginia Sheriff whom Joe Biden’s corrupt Justice Department targeted.

Former Culpeper, Virginia, Sheriff Scott Jenkins was sentenced to 10 years on federal charges in March and was ordered to report to federal prison tomorrow – but Trump intervened just in time.

Last December, Culpeper, 53, was convicted by a jury on one count of conspiracy, four counts of honest services fraud, and seven counts of bribery concerning programs receiving federal funds.

The court documents allege Jenkins “accepted cash bribes and bribes in the form of campaign contributions from co-defendants Rick Rahim, Fredric Gumbinner, and James Metcalf, as well as at least five others, including two FBI undercover agents.”

“In return for the bribes, Jenkins appointed each of the bribe payors as auxiliary deputy sheriffs, a sworn law-enforcement position, and issued them official Culpeper County Sheriff’s Office badges and credentials. The bribe payors were not trained or vetted and did not render any legitimate services to the Sheriff’s Office or the citizens of Culpeper County,” the Justice Department said.

President Trump said Scott Jenkins and his wife Patricia have been “dragged through HELL” by Biden’s corrupt DOJ.

A corrupt Biden judge refused to allow Scott Jenkins to offer exculpatory evidence to support himself.

“Sheriff Scott Jenkins, his wife Patricia, and their family have been dragged through HELL by a Corrupt and Weaponized Biden DOJ. In fact, during his trial, when Sheriff Jenkins tried to offer exculpatory evidence to support himself, the Biden Judge, Robert Ballou, refused to allow it, shut him down, and then went on a tirade. As we have seen, in Federal, City, and State Courts, Radical Left or Liberal Judges allow into evidence what they feel like, not what is mandated under the Constitution and Rules of Evidence.”

“This Sheriff is a victim of an overzealous Biden Department of Justice, and doesn’t deserve to spend a single day in jail. He is a wonderful person, who was persecuted by the Radical Left “monsters,” and “left for dead.” This is why I, as President of the United States, see fit to end his unfair sentence, and grant Sheriff Jenkins a FULL and Unconditional Pardon. He will NOT be going to jail tomorrow, but instead will have a wonderful and productive life,” Trump said on Truth Social on Monday.

^^^^

The proper use of a pardon

Just imagine how many others were targeted by a weaponized IRS, EPA, etc...

I’m willing to bet it was in the 100,000 range.