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Originally posted by kramden:
Devolve into a horror show????? Too late . It is and has. Please, please, please nominate Bernie.

This is a pretty short sighted way to think. Any person nominated from any party has at least a 40% chance of victory. If Trump steps on his dick the wrong way, you'll end up with a Marxist as president.

Trump's best odds are likely against Sanders. However, it is by far the most risky for the country should Trump lose.

With the risk being that high, nothing should be taken for granted.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Trump's best odds are likely against Sanders. However, it is by far the most risky for the country should Trump lose.

With the risk being that high, nothing should be taken for granted.

100% correct.

So it's officially the 25th. Anyone taking bets on what happens tonight? The only thing I'd offer odds on happening would be that Bloomberg bashes Sanders for being weak on gun control, Biden piles on and then one-ups Bloomberg, and then tries to pivot and rip Bloomberg a new one for being an out-of-touch (hah!) elitist.

I read this thread, the Bernie thread, the Bloomberg thread, and the Biden thread every day. I do it for the laughs. This is a great time we live in and I wish the debates and primary could go on forever.

I am amazed at the number of hand wringers that inhabit them. They can’t stand to see people having a good time in the thread, and they can’t help themselves but to pop in and tell them to “stay vigilant”.

If you wonder why we have weak conservative leaders, this is one of your best examples of reasoning.

Do some people love being scared and miserable that much that they have to piss on anyone that has a good time and isn’t terrified constantly? Why do people act that way? Look at the Trump is an assclown thread. You had so many people that were cocksure of Hillary’s impending win that that crapped on e anything and everybody. They live in a practical state of constantly pissing themselves. Show me on the doll where the bad billionaire touched you.

It’s ok to laugh at idiots. You’ll live longer that way.

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It’s ok to laugh at idiots. You’ll live longer that way.

Yep.

Ahead of the debate tonight, Conrad Black offers this assessment of where the race is as of now:

After Nevada, The Real Race Comes Into View

It’s a bare-knuckles fight between Trump, Bloomberg, and Sanders now.
Conrad Black

The Nevada caucuses confirm that Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) has clung to the ledge by her fingernails as long as she could and will almost certainly fall off on Super Tuesday.

It also confirms that the end is nigh for the Pete Buttigieg phenomenon, the typecasters’ candidate, a prefabricated person with all the outer ingredients but no relevant governmental or equivalent experience, no fixed beliefs, and nothing but flippant and fluently well-rehearsed answers to all subjects; an articulate façade with nothing tangible behind it.

Klobuchar and Buttigieg both have made a valued contribution and if Klobuchar had had more panache, she might have made a strong run for the nomination. As it is, she easily outpaced her Senate colleagues who quickly showed they had no substantive qualities: Cory Booker (N.J.) , Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), and Kamala Harris (Calif.). None of them had the remotest idea of what was required in a serious presidential candidate. And they all became ludicrous figures in pursuit of such a great office.

Booker told us that fighting climate change was as urgent as the invasion of Normandy in 1944—a challenging case to make, especially since Booker showed no sign of having any concept of either.

Gillibrand, who replaced Hillary Clinton as U.S. senator from New York, adopted the position in the Kavanaugh Supreme Court confirmation hearings that women should always be believed when it comes to claims of sexual misconduct, even in the absence of evidence or corroboration, and that Bill Clinton (to whom she indirectly owed her political career) should have resigned as president over his peccadilloes.

Harris always wanted a “conversation” about everything, and her great contribution to the campaign was to revive the insane policy of busing schoolchildren in huge numbers out of their neighborhoods and all around metropolitan areas in pursuit of racial balance in the schools, and the devil take the wishes of the parents and the children.

As the race tightens, it is hard to see Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) continuing past March 3. She did recover somewhat in the debate last Wednesday, and was the most destructive competitor of Michael Bloomberg, doing significant damage on the stop-and-frisk issue and dangerously afflicting the mayor on the matter of previous settlements with hush-payments in sexual harassment cases. With that said, she has been run down by Bernie Sanders in the same left lane.

The slight extent to which Warren has been able to finesse her positions and be less frightening than Sanders, an outright Marxist, is exceeded in impact by her untruths about her status as an American Indian and being fired as a schoolteacher for pregnancy, and her “I have a plan for that” whoppers, such as her $52 trillion straitjacket for American health care.

Former Vice President Joe Biden seems likely to eke out a modest win in South Carolina, giving him a few days to celebrate, but it is hard to see how he continues after March 3 either. This is becoming a rough game for fiercer people than the folksy, absent-minded old senator from Delaware (who has been burned to a crisp by the Ukraine imbroglio anyway). It’s a bare-knuckles fight between Trump, Bloomberg, and Sanders now.

It would be unwise to prejudge, but at the end of March 3 Senator Bernie Sanders should be more than halfway to the delegates he needs to be nominated on the first ballot, without the invasion of the 500 superdelegates representing the ex officio Democratic Party establishment, who would oppose Sanders as unelectable, and in any case undesirable, because of his Marxist policies. The superdelegates come in on a second ballot.

While it is unlikely that Bloomberg’s totals will be particularly impressive on Super Tuesday, he is likely to be second to Sanders, and doesn’t have any concerns about the affordability of campaigning. Presumably, he will raise his game in the next debate, and it must be said that his slick professional campaign operation put together some good advertisements from his stronger points in the debate last Wednesday, as the only one of the candidates who has started a business. In any case, he is the alternative, the last train leaving the station before the Old Democracy delivers itself over to a suicide ride conducted by Sanders.

It is not clear how Sanders could gain more than one-third of the vote in a general election, with his advocacy of wrenching all healthcare out of the hands of the public and subjecting everyone to a compulsory federal plan, the Green Terror, open borders, abortion verging on infanticide, confiscation of guns, and entertainment of reparations for African and Native Americans, free university tuition and forgiveness of $1 trillion worth of student loans, and blood-curdling tax increases on any individuals and corporations with any income and accumulated wealth. This would leave President Trump winning by over 40 million votes. (The previous largest plurality was Richard Nixon in 1972 by 18 million votes over George McGovern, in an electorate of 77 million, about half of the present one).

Fortunately for the Democrats, Mayor Bloomberg’s ego is about as capacious as President Trump’s and he will shake-off his weak opening performance and in 10 days will be all that stands in the way of an electoral massacre of the Democrats.

Presumably, Bloomberg will now see that slagging off Trump is no way to prevent a disaster for his adoptive party and a humiliating belly-flop for himself. We are suddenly late in the game and Bloomberg will see that his only recovery plan is to terrorize the two-thirds of the Democratic voters who will not have spoken by March 3, into rejecting Sanders in the later primaries between mid-March and June, pushing the convention to a second ballot, and presumably winning then, with the party elders and their superdelegate votes tilting it to Bloomberg. Sanders’ army will howl like banshees that their man had been, as Donald Trump put it in New York outer boroughs Yiddish four years ago, “schlonged “ again.

It is conceivable that under the pressure of a relaunched Bloomberg campaign focused directly at Sanders and spouting money like the Trevi Fountain in nasty advertising, Sanders could be persuaded to rethink his hare-brained nostrums, which Bloomberg described fairly accurately on Wednesday night as “communism, and it hasn’t worked.” Though there would be credibility problems, that might bring the Democrats back some way toward a recognizable center. There is no reason to expect anything but good news for the administration on all policy fronts, and the Democrats will not enjoy the findings of U.S. Attorney John Durham on the politicization of the Justice Department and the intelligence services.

But neither Sanders nor Bloomberg owes anything to Obama or the Clintons and they have plausible deniability on the skulduggery of 2016. The extreme hostility to Trump may not be subsiding among carriers of the more virulent forms of that virus, but the polls show that it is finally melting at the edges as the president moves up in the polls, and is a little ahead of where President Obama was eight years ago.

Bloomberg is a much more substantial candidate than Hillary Clinton proved to be, but Trump has 10 times the stature he had four years ago. On his record and with the Republicans rock solid behind him, he is the strongest presidential incumbent seeking reelection since Ronald Reagan, who took 49 states in 1984 against the unexceptionable Walter Mondale.

Trump is a better campaigner and debater than Bloomberg, but they are both rich New York alley-cats, of different physical and financial stature, and Bloomberg is more genteel. He would be an underdog, but it could be an interesting election. Trump and Sanders would be justifiable political homicide.

https://amgreatness.com/2020/0...ace-comes-into-view/

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Former Vice President Joe Biden seems likely to eke out a modest win in South Carolina...It’s a bare-knuckles fight between Trump, Bloomberg, and Sanders now.

Trump will obviously still be standing on Election Day, but don't underestimate the possibility of Bloomberg and Sanders essentially doing so much damage to each other or taking each other out with Trump's help that politically non-threatening Uncah Joe makes it well past Super Tuesday. Call it the "naked guy on 'Survivor'" strategy.

If by some freak accident someone makes it past Trump, I fear our country will never recover to what we have now before the election, let alone damage fallout across the globe.
At my age I can't for the life of me figure how so many people can think all of the far left give aways could in actuality come to pass. The working American will never stand to give up what they have worked their lives for. Only to pay to support those who believe they have every right to a free ride.
Maybe the time is closing in to think about how we can save, what so many spent a life time building for those so called golden years.

Tonight should be a comical shitshow. There will be so much poo flinging...

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Tonight should be a comical shitshow. There will be so much poo flinging...

I have the popccorn ready.

flashguy

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Tonight should be a comical shitshow. There will be so much poo flinging...

I wonder how much prep Mini-Mike has done this time. He was surely unprepared for the last debate, and got his clock cleaned. My money says he's going to be on the offensive as often as he can, and he'll try to parry the spears and arrows coming his way.

Joe Biden's utterances have become a drinking game. If you drink for every gaffe, blank state, mumble or false claim, you'll be tanked before the first hour is up. I hear Tom Steyer will be there. Why? Is there anyone else, besides comic relief? Buttyfudge and Chief Spreading Bull will provide a few yucks (or would that be "yuck"s). I guess the madwoman of Minnesota rounds out the circus.

I may tune in after dinner out with my family.

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I hear Tom Steyer will be there. Why?

Tom Steyer is actually polling 3rd in SC.

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Tom Steyer

Tom "my wife and I started a nonprofit, and now we're billionaires" Steyer. Eesh.

Aw yeah, Time to get stupid!

Who’s watching the clowns?

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Aw yeah, Time to get stupid!

Who’s watching the clowns?

Some of the best Reality TV, ever.

Huge shit show. They're all but already conceding a loss in 2020.

They are sooooo busy calling each other racist. What a shit show.

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Originally posted by 46and2:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Aw yeah, Time to get stupid!

Who’s watching the clowns?

Some of the best Reality TV, ever.

Huge shit show. They're all but already conceding a loss in 2020.

This is Epic!!

Hoping to see a slapfight.

Bloomberg almost said he "bought" 20 congressional seats that helped put Pelosi in her current role. (Here it is in a twitter vid)

https://mobile.twitter.com/atr.../1232480499588681728

The "bo..." part got out before he switched gears and said "helped" or something, it seemed.

And

Ha. Ole Joe just said *150 Million* people have died since 2007 due to gun violence. WTF?

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The reality that they're on the verge of ripping their Party apart is almost the only topic.

They're saying shit that's said here:

"If Trump wins again he'll be stacking the court for 20+ more years", and the like.

"If Bernie is nominated he'll hand the Presidency to Trump again..."

Etc