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Originally posted by jljones:
DNC is about to hit Bernie with a pipe to take him out

Oh, okay, I missed that that was Tanya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan.

Thanks for the explanation.

Jim

It's funny as the DNC had totally brought this on themselves and now want to get out of it. Screw them.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren each started the month scraping perilously close to the bottom of their campaign bank accounts, posing an existential threat to their candidacies as the Democratic primary goes national…

To make matters even worse for them: I read (here, I think) Bloomberg's campaign's profligate spending on adverts is raising the cost.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
It's funny as the DNC had totally brought this on themselves ...

They have. Now the party's soul is up for grabs.

One would have thought they'd have learned something from the 2016 debacle, when they backed one of the most controversial, most unlikable candidates one could imagine. Now, when they could have pushed to select somebody at least somewhat palatable to moderate Democrats and to independents, somebody such as Tulsi Gabbard, they're faced with an avowed socialist or millionaire businessman who's so unlikable, so devoid of charisma, he makes Trump look attractive by comparison.

^^^^^
So if Gabbard is still running, why wasn't she in the last debate? I guess she didn't have enough Billions to buy her way in, huh?

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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So if Gabbard is still running, why wasn't she in the last debate? I guess she didn't have enough Billions to buy her way in, huh?

I haven't heard or read she's dropped out. Didn't qualify due to poor poll numbers?

If Warren, Biden, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar dropped out and pledged their support to Gabbard, and that was successful at overcoming the Bernie Bros and Bloomberg's attempt to buy the nomination, the Dems might actually have a shot in November.

Fortunately, for Trump and for us, Democrats don't have that much sense

The same in 2016. If they'd put forward, say, Jim Webb, they might have won it.

It seems to me that the DNC establishment wants not just a Dem in office, but a Dem acceptable to them in office. It is possible that they’d rather have an R than than a Dem they don’t like/can’t control. This is not so different from many establishment Rs in 2016. The whole thing is a bit of a hot mess. It will be interesting to see what options we are offered in 2024...

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I haven't heard or read she's dropped out. Didn't qualify due to poor poll numbers?

Correct. She didn't meet the minimum threshold. Neither did Steyer.

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Originally posted by slosig:
It seems to me that the DNC establishment wants not just a Dem in office, but a Dem acceptable to them in office. It is possible that they’d rather have an R than than a Dem they don’t like/can’t control. This is not so different from many establishment Rs in 2016.

Yeah, come to think of it, if Trump were re-elected that would leave all the power positions and power relationships within the DNC unchanged. If a Dem won the election, of course, it would lead to a massive game of political musical chairs within the Democrats. I won't say it's a conscious plan, but I can see everyone just quietly letting inertia have its way.

Don’t forget Tulsi endorsed Bernie in 16. She is just a few shades less commie.

I think the Democrats have actually given up on the Presidency and are now concentrating on keeping the House and winning back the Senate. If they do that, then impeaching President Trump would be easy. I don't think they'd be a lot happier with a President Pence, either, and he might be a lot harder to get rid of.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:
I think the Democrats have actually given up on the Presidency and are now concentrating on keeping the House and winning back the Senate. If they do that, then impeaching President Trump would be easy. I don't think they'd be a lot happier with a President Pence, either, and he might be a lot harder to get rid of.

flashguy

I don’t agree that it would be a lot easier to impeach and remove PDJT with a bare majority. Conviction in an impeachment requires a two thirds vote, and the chances of the Dims getting that much of a senate majority are vanishingly slim.

However, if the Dims were able to hold the house and take the senate, they would be in an excellent position to frustrate the President’s legislative goals. On the other hand, if we can hold the senate (or better yet, increase our position to neutralize the RINOs) and take the house, we could help the President really move the ball forward.

The DNC has the same problem with Bernie that the RNC has with Trump.

The DNC has no use for Bernie, and wish he'd fade away. He's not a Democrat, and they can't control him. But a large voting block that votes in Democratic primaries and usually for the Dem nominee, loves him. If they freeze him out, that block will sit on it's vote come November, and they'll lose (again.)

Of course, Bernie is such a left wingnut that if he wins, he's scare of the moderates, and he doesn't draw Black and Hispanics. So if he wins the nomination, they lose (again.)

I hope.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
It's funny as the DNC had totally brought this on themselves and now want to get out of it. Screw them.

It’s “Mensheviks versus Bolsheviks” for control of the Dem Party. They really don’t care about the Presidency this time around, as they know Trump can’t be beaten.

After Trump leaves in office 2025, then who will it be for the Repubs. They (both Dems and Repubs) are looking to Election 2024 for the ultimate battle for control of the FedGov.

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...vjxZO13yD3GH23pp3MFc

Bernie Sanders projected to win Nevada caucuses

Sen. Bernie Sanders will win the Nevada caucuses, Fox News is projecting, furthering the democratic socialist's lead over his Democratic rivals and raising the question as to whether he can be stopped on his path to the Democratic nomination.

With six percent of delegates in, Sanders leads with 54.7 percent.

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early data

https://www.breitbart.com/clip...y-gop-will-kill-him/

Chris Matthews:

“[I]t looks like Bernie Sanders is hard to beat right now. I’m with Carville all the way in terms of the dangers of what lurks — what lies ahead in November. I’m very much aware of them. They’re sitting on so much oppo research on Bernie, what he said in the past about world affairs, how far left he is. I’m not sure how far left he is, but they’re going to make the most of that in terms of world politics. They’re going to kill him.”

“I think it’s a little late to stop him, and I think that’s the problem.” And that Sanders has won the majority of the left wing of the Democratic Party, and “It is pretty much over, unless that changes"

After Nevada win, Bernie Sanders can only be stopped at great cost to Democrats

https://www.washingtonexaminer...at-cost-to-democrats

After racking up a big win in Nevada, Sen. Bernie Sanders is in a commanding position in the 2020 Democratic presidential race. Though he may not yet be inevitable, we’ve reached the point where it will be hard for establishment Democrats to stop him without inflicting a great cost on their eventual nominee.

Sanders arguably won Iowa, and he now has added a big win in Nevada to his victory in New Hampshire. So, there’s a case to be made that he’s already won the first three contests, and he should do no worse than second in South Carolina.

He will then head into Super Tuesday on March 3 as the best performer in the early contests, and that will be coupled with money, organization, and likely standing as the national front-runner. On that day alone, there will be 16 contests with 1,357 delegates up for grabs — or more than a third of all available.

Here’s the thing about the way Democratic contests work. Because they allocate delegates proportionally, to candidates clearing 15% in states and congressional districts, it’s harder for a front-runner to amass a majority of delegates quickly in a crowded field than in the Republican system, in which there are a lot of states where the winner takes all or most delegates.

However, the flip side of that is it also means that if one candidate builds up a substantial lead, it becomes harder for any other candidate to catch up.

Without going into all the theoretical math, while there’s doubt about whether Sanders goes into the Democratic National Convention with the majority needed to become the nominee on the first ballot, it’s becoming increasingly hard to see how anybody goes into the convention with more delegates than he does. This was already becoming clear in Wednesday’s Democratic debate, when Sanders was the only candidate who said that the one who has the most delegates should be the nominee if no candidate wins a majority. All other candidates said the process should play out on the convention floor.

Here’s the problem that any other Democrat faces at this point. In 2016, a number of embittered Sanders voters refused to vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election, which came down to tight races in a few key states. That was during an election in which Clinton went into the convention with a clear majority of delegates. If a subset of Sanders fans thought he was robbed four years ago, how will they react if he gets to the convention in July with the most delegates and loses the nomination as a result of deal-making among other campaigns and party insiders?

The only way to avoid that outcome at this point would seem to be either have all other candidates drop out and unite around one of the more center-left Democrats, such as Joe Biden — which is very difficult to see happening in the next week and a half, especially with billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s entire strategy based around hundreds of millions in ad buys in Super Tuesday states. Or, alternatively, have Bloomberg unload a blizzard of negative ads targeting Sanders — a strategy outlined by former Jeb Bush communications director Tim Miller. But if a billionaire managed to nuke Sanders successfully with ad spending, it would anger Sanders's supporters just as much if not more than him losing due to convention shenanigans.

Nominating a socialist as their standard-bearer no doubt carries significant political risk for Democrats up- and down-ballot in November. But even if there’s somebody else who is in theory a safer bet, in practice, we’ve reached the point at which Democrats may be taking an even greater risk by handing somebody else the nomination and alienating Sanders supporters.

earlier trend continues

Wow. The Democrats are fracked seven ways from Sunday.