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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Did they actually quote Clappy and Combover? Because it would be illegal for either one of them to either confirm or deny any FISA application.

Clapper said "I can deny it" on TV this weekend. I saw it, but forget which show it was on. Fox has been playing the clip with him saying "I can deny it".

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Originally posted by Out West:
Still leaves me wondering, what agency tapped the Flynn conversations and who (person/agency) leaked to the media? And was the wire tap conducted lawfully?

NSA??

NSA surveillance program architect Bill Binney told Sean Hannity Monday that the intelligence community routinely listens in on Americans’ conversations without court-ordered FISA warrants.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/03...rrants-all-the-time/

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Did they actually quote Clappy and Combover? Because it would be illegal for either one of them to either confirm or deny any FISA application.

Clapper said "I can deny it" on TV this weekend. I saw it, but forget which show it was on. Fox has been playing the clip with him saying "I can deny it".

Ah, so he's going to deny that "Obama ordered wiretaps on Trump". Easy to deny that statement because that's not how the process works and he knows it. If Obama wanted Trump tapped, his surrogates would come up with a FISA warrant for the server or for Trump's aides, and when they happen to get Trump on tape that's just a side benefit. But no, there will be no paper trail of "Obama ordering a wiretap on Trump" so that's easy to deny.

The reality is that the intel agencies probably did tap Trump Tower as reported back in January.

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Did they actually quote Clappy and Combover? Because it would be illegal for either one of them to either confirm or deny any FISA application.

Clapper said "I can deny it" on TV this weekend. I saw it, but forget which show it was on. Fox has been playing the clip with him saying "I can deny it".

"Meet the Press", Sunday, March 5. I was surprised to hear him say that.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Did they actually quote Clappy and Combover? Because it would be illegal for either one of them to either confirm or deny any FISA application.

Clapper said "I can deny it" on TV this weekend. I saw it, but forget which show it was on. Fox has been playing the clip with him saying "I can deny it".

Ah, so he's going to deny that "Obama ordered wiretaps on Trump". Easy to deny that statement because that's not how the process works and he knows it. If Obama wanted Trump tapped, his surrogates would come up with a FISA warrant for the server or for Trump's aides, and when they happen to get Trump on tape that's just a side benefit. But no, there will be no paper trail of "Obama ordering a wiretap on Trump" so that's easy to deny.

The reality is that the intel agencies probably did tap Trump Tower as reported back in January.

Of course he can deny it. They'll follow the same script that they always have. "We had no knowledge. It was a low level staffer in the Cincinnati office. We learned about it at the exact same time the people did when we saw it on TV"

There are ways to request actions without ordering them.

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"
~Henry II

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Originally posted by Out West:
Still leaves me wondering, what agency tapped the Flynn conversations and who (person/agency) leaked to the media? And was the wire tap conducted lawfully?

Flynn conversation was captured by routine surveillance of a Russian official, probably by the NSA, I have no doubt that monitoring was likely legal.

The problem isn't the monitoring of a foreign official, the problem is the leaking of the transcript which is most assuredly illegal under 18 U.S.C. 798.

On January 4th, we had this...

WikiLeaks offers reward for info on Obama admin misdeeds

Today we got this...
WikiLeaks releases 'entire hacking capacity of the CIA'

Tony.

video of Clapper talking to Chuck Todd

Clapper denies there was a FISA

https://youtu.be/3vCff3Y8jd0

TODD: I was just going to say, if the FBI, for instance, had a FISA court order of some sort for surveillance, would that be information you would know or not know?

CLAPPER: Yes.

TODD: You would be told this?

CLAPPER: I would know this.

TODD: If there was a FISA court order on something like this

CLAPPER: Something like this, absolutely.

TODD: And at this point you can’t confirm or deny whether that exists?

CLAPPER: I can deny it.

TODD: There is no FISA court order.

CLAPPER: Not to my knowledge.

TODD: Of anything at Trump Tower.

CLAPPER: No.

TODD: Well, that’s an important revelation at this point.

from the same interview:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/ar...mp-russian-collusion

Clapper then went on to say that to his knowledge there was “no evidence” of “collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians.”

“We did not include any evidence in our report – and I say ‘our,’ that’s NSA, FBI and CIA, with my office, the Director of National Intelligence – that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report.”

“I understand that,” said interviewer Chuck Todd. “But does it exist?”

“Not to my knowledge.”

“If it existed, it would have been in this report?”

“This could have unfolded or become available in the time since I left the government.,” Clapper replied, “but at the time I – we had no evidence of such collusion.”

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Originally posted by Fenris:
There are ways to request actions without ordering them.

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"
~Henry II

I believe that the military term "Commander's intent" could be inferred by lackeys.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

Ah, so he's going to deny that "Obama ordered wiretaps on Trump".

As sdy cited, he is denying there was a FISA warrant at all.

It confuses me because A) we know for sure Flynn's conversation was tapped, and B) as I heard on O'Reilly last night, Flynn was actually at Trump Tower when he was listened in on.

The real question is, who leaked the Flynn tapes? That should lead us to who tapped him.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

Ah, so he's going to deny that "Obama ordered wiretaps on Trump".

As sdy cited, he is denying there was a FISA warrant at all.

It confuses me because A) we know for sure Flynn's conversation was tapped, and B) as I heard on O'Reilly last night, Flynn was actually at Trump Tower when he was listened in on.

The real question is, who leaked the Flynn tapes? That should lead us to who tapped him.

For the second time in this page, Flynn's conversation was monitored because of who he was talking to, not because he was at Trump tower.

But yes, who did the leaking? It's against the LAW.

As I posted above:

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Flynn conversation was captured by routine surveillance of a Russian official, probably by the NSA, I have no doubt that monitoring was likely legal. Maybe...

The problem isn't the monitoring of a foreign official, the problem is the leaking of the transcript which is most assuredly illegal under 18 U.S.C. 798.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
For the second time in this page, Flynn's conversation was monitored because of who he was talking to, not because he was at Trump tower.

Yeah, whatever.

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Flynn conversation was captured by routine surveillance of a Russian official, probably by the NSA, I have no doubt that monitoring was likely legal.

The problem isn't the monitoring of a foreign official, the problem is the leaking of the transcript which is most assuredly illegal under 18 U.S.C. 798.

The problem is that a private US citizen's conversation was illegally recorded and leaked. That's the problem.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
For the second time in this page, Flynn's conversation was monitored because of who he was talking to, not because he was at Trump tower.

Yeah, whatever.

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Flynn conversation was captured by routine surveillance of a Russian official, probably by the NSA, I have no doubt that monitoring was likely legal.

The problem isn't the monitoring of a foreign official, the problem is the leaking of the transcript which is most assuredly illegal under 18 U.S.C. 798.

The problem is that a private US citizen's conversation was illegally recorded and leaked. That's the problem.

I'm not disagreeing with that(leak) part, I'm just saying that monitoring of that call would have been completely normal.

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For the second time in this page, Flynn's conversation was monitored because of who he was talking to, not because he was at Trump tower.

And you know this to be a fact HOW? Because the media and Clapper/Comey/Obama/whoever says so?

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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For the second time in this page, Flynn's conversation was monitored because of who he was talking to, not because he was at Trump tower.

And you know this to be a fact HOW? Because the media and Clapper/Comey/Obama/whoever says so?

Most everyone except people in this thread seem to think we don't record foreign ambassadors to our country for some odd reason, hell, we monitored Angela Merkel on her own soil!
And I know folks that work for the companies that make and maintain the storage equipment... Almost went to work for them.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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For the second time in this page, Flynn's conversation was monitored because of who he was talking to, not because he was at Trump tower.

And you know this to be a fact HOW? Because the media and Clapper/Comey/Obama/whoever says so?

Most everyone except people in this thread seem to think we don't record foreign ambassadors to our country for some odd reason, hell, we monitored Angela Merkel on her own soil!
And I know folks that work for the companies that make and maintain the storage equipment... Almost went to work for them.

And those things = no possibility of phone taps in Trump Tower?

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Out West:
Still leaves me wondering, what agency tapped the Flynn conversations and who (person/agency) leaked to the media? And was the wire tap conducted lawfully?

Flynn conversation was captured by routine surveillance of a Russian official, probably by the NSA, I have no doubt that monitoring was likely legal.

The problem isn't the monitoring of a foreign official, the problem is the leaking of the transcript which is most assuredly illegal under 18 U.S.C. 798.

My understanding was that Flynn was in Trump Tower when the calls in question occurred and were monitored. So what else might the NSA (or others) have also monitored at the Tower?

At this point, I believe nothing any agency within the Federal government tells us. Nothing. These people lie for a living, and I'm done going along with their comments on anything.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Out West:
Still leaves me wondering, what agency tapped the Flynn conversations and who (person/agency) leaked to the media? And was the wire tap conducted lawfully?

Flynn conversation was captured by routine surveillance of a Russian official, probably by the NSA, I have no doubt that monitoring was likely legal.

The problem isn't the monitoring of a foreign official, the problem is the leaking of the transcript which is most assuredly illegal under 18 U.S.C. 798.

My understanding was that Flynn was in Trump Tower when the calls in question occurred and were monitored. So what else might the NSA (or others) have also monitored at the Tower?

At this point, I believe nothing any agency within the Federal government tells us. Nothing. These people lie for a living, and I'm done going along with their comments on anything.

Who knows, but if the call was captured from a trunk line, that's not necessarily "in" Trump Tower. Best I can tell, they capture damn near everything, but only cull certain parts they want. Is that not what the whole Snowden thing was supposedly about?
I personally don't believe anything any of these people have said, for a long while...

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:

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For the second time in this page, Flynn's conversation was monitored because of who he was talking to, not because he was at Trump tower.

And you know this to be a fact HOW? Because the media and Clapper/Comey/Obama/whoever says so?

Most everyone except people in this thread seem to think we don't record foreign ambassadors to our country for some odd reason, hell, we monitored Angela Merkel on her own soil!
And I know folks that work for the companies that make and maintain the storage equipment... Almost went to work for them.

And those things = no possibility of phone taps in Trump Tower?

No, but it also doesn't mean it "had" to be.
If you were already monitoring an ambassador, which end of the wire are you setting up on? I mean it doesn't even have to be an end, it can be in the middle...