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Originally posted by Fla. Jim:
I'm giving it a chance as in the original Trek it's playing on current society situations. Hence the sex change bit.

this,

it was the first episode I watched, need to go back and watch the first 2, hopefully I can pull them up on demand

That and Bortus' race are all males, and when his egg hatched in Ep 2, it was a girl. The first for his race.

It doesn't know what it wants to be...

This show will have a hard time finding a demographic.

Not serious enough for the Trekkies...

Not funny enough for the typical Seth satire...

It tries to float between...and will not capture enough people.

Dead on arrival...will not be renewed is my prediction.

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Originally posted by EmpireState:
Nope. Thats it. No thanks. Saw episode one, missed episode two, guess football went long. Started episode 3 and 2 minutes into it, we have a baby needing a gender change. Fucking social justice warriors liberal idiots can ruin every thing they touch. Wanted to sit down, be entertained and have a laugh and here we go. Goodbye Orville. I may crack a slight smile in a few weeks when its cancelled but I probably wont care enough.

Why would any thinking person willingly watch this crap?

The whole sex change thing doesn't exactly fit in with what the SJWs spout off about. They were AGAINST it. The parents' culture is all about macho alpha male dominance in a society that prides itself on being strong and they are proud to produce weapons on a global scale. Not exactly what the left would support LOL. I found it amusing the way Mcfarlane turned that whole thing upside down.

Think about it- why was this mentioned at all? Forget about whose side the characters are supposedly on. Why was this part of the show?

Star Trek has always had an underlying amount of social commentary.

I enjoyed the third episode, I thought it was the best one so far. They handled the sex change very evenly and if anything it was decidedly against it. It did a great job of showing there are actual differences between men and women regardless of what SJW people want to think.

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Originally posted by Scurvy:
Star Trek has always had an underlying amount of social commentary.

I enjoyed the third episode, I thought it was the best one so far. They handled the sex change very evenly and if anything it was decidedly against it. It did a great job of showing there are actual differences between men and women regardless of what SJW people want to think.

Nope. Sorry. That was the smokescreen. The take home message was that everyone's beliefs are equally valid regardless of societal/moral/ethical mores or standards.

STTNG did the same episode. It was a gender-neutral alien that decided she was a girl and fell for Riker. Her people figured it out and sent her for "re-education". That was supposed to be "bad", but the message is obviously that forcing conformity is bad, not the anomalous gender identity.

It's SJW messaging all the way.

-Rob

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

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Originally posted by Scurvy:
Star Trek has always had an underlying amount of social commentary.

I enjoyed the third episode, I thought it was the best one so far. They handled the sex change very evenly and if anything it was decidedly against it. It did a great job of showing there are actual differences between men and women regardless of what SJW people want to think.

Nope. Sorry. That was the smokescreen. The take home message was that everyone's beliefs are equally valid regardless of societal/moral/ethical mores or standards.

STTNG did the same episode. It was a gender-neutral alien that decided she was a girl and fell for Riker. Her people figured it out and sent her for "re-education". That was supposed to be "bad", but the message is obviously that forcing conformity is bad, not the anomalous gender identity.

It's SJW messaging all the way.

-Rob

I'm not sure how you took that away since the crew spent the entire episode trying to stop what happened.

At no point did ANYONE on the crew go, 'well their cultural norms are not ours but we need to respect theirs and let this happen.'

My take away was that some cultures are wrong but you can't just sit there and tell them that, they have to be shown a different way and accept that sometimes you can't change it unless you are willing to go to war over it.

They tried changing Bortus' mind through conflict and violence and it didn't work. The only thing that worked was him watching Rudolph and coming to the conclusion himself.

The Orville could benefit from a few lessons by Lillehammer and Norsemen, both of which are cheeky but quality mashups of different genres mixed with modern references, and both of which are much more confident in their delivery/execution. I think Norsemen is hilarious, like Vikings with jokes instead of sex (nothing wrong with the latter, of course).

I hope The Orville catches its stride. I like the idea well enough.

Bottom line: I gave it a shot and it fell short. 99% of TV continues to be a wasteland.

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The parents' culture is all about macho alpha male dominance in a society that prides itself on being strong and they are proud to produce weapons on a global scale. Not exactly what the left would support LOL.

...and the point went right over your head.

Suckfest. They billed it as a comedy, and it isn't. It doesn't know what the hell it is

I'm intrigued. I already like these people more than anyone on Star Trek: Discovery. I also really liked the 2nd episode. Haven't watched the 3rd one yet, but it is intriguing as the show tries to figure itself out.

Man, some of you guys would've never made it past the 2nd or 3rd episode of Star Trek: The Original Series for outrage over the "virtue signalling." Just about every episode contained social commentary relevant to the issues of the day.

The Orville is no ST TOS, but my wife and I find it entertaining. We'll keep watching it.

It's a damn sight better than STD. (Though I suppose that could be an example of "damning by faint praise.")

Not sure I like the series. Enterprise was probably my favorite.

The wife and I are actually really enjoying it once we realized it wasn't family guy in space. I don't think it was properly marketed but I'm not sure they could have sold it a different way. I think it's actually not a bad Star Trek but I'm weird and like TOS, Enterprise and the JJ movies. It's on Fox so when they cancel it I will watch the new show on Netflix or whoever picks it up. As for the sex change episode which is actually a solid entry,the entire crew is instantly against it and that doesn't change so I don't feel like the leftist illuminati squeezed on by me personally.

Tonight's episode was pretty solid I thought. Good mix of decent sci-fi story and light comedy.

If they can keep this sort of work going then I think they've got a chance.

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Originally posted by apprentice:
Tonight's episode was pretty solid I thought. Good mix of decent sci-fi story and light comedy.

Agree 100%.

I tell ya what: It's a damn sight better than CBS' Star Trek Discovery. It's more like ST TOS, that's for sure.

Yeah, yeah: It's derivative. That's what I like about it. It's like ST TOS reborn.

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Originally posted by apprentice:
If they can keep this sort of work going then I think they've got a chance.

Agreed.

Another good episode. It was sooo Star Trek, it was great.

T-Bag from Prison Break was a good bad guy of the week.

The only things holding the show back IMHO are the constant current pop culture references. It was always a little cringy on star trek but at least it was few and far between.

The other is I feel like they are using the divorce as a crutch. Anytime the characters don't have anything to talk about, that's what they fill the void with.