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https://youtube.com/playlist?l...&si=K4rM16fpN-BDXmCZ For those who are unfamiliar, Rick is a songwriter, musician, producer and ardent fan of all music. His breakdowns are detailed dives into song structure that really highlight what make it so awesome. His most recent interview with Billy Joel should not be missed. -- I always prefer reality when I can figure out what it is. JALLEN 10/18/18 https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...610094844#7610094844 | |||
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I was well aware of Beato’s “What Makes This Song Great” series. I had no idea just how many of them he did! Dozens and dozens. I don’t know if I’m happy about you pointing out this rabbit hole; I might meet the Red Queen. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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I think it is natural for many of what can be designated as important songs to be in the earlier decades, especially the 50s-70s. But the 80s certainly had its share of influential important songs; Michael Jackson's Beat It is an extremely important song even though I don't consider it a particularly great one, it is not a huge favorite of mine- one of the best selling singles of all time off the biggest selling album of all time, it is considered one of the first big crossover hit songs in rock. Another crossover hit that I consider a milestone is the Beastie Boys (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (To Party), blending punk, rap and youthful rebellion into a hit song, also bringing rap to the white mainstream. Also in the 1980s, Radio Free Europe from R.E.M, I Will Dare by The Replacements, and Debaser by The Pixies, these songs were milestones in 1980s college rock that spawned the Alternative rock genre and Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit, easily the most important song from the 90s. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Summertime Blues - Eddie Cochran Train Kept a Rollin’ - Yardbirds version Sunshine of You Love - Cream I’ve Seen All Good People - Yes Lady - Styx Shadows of the Night - Pat Benatar version | |||
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Gary Numan - Cars: Ushered in the synthesizer to mainstream. New Order - Blue Monday: Changed the face of electronic dance music Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana: Brought grunge to mainstream. He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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Numan has said the Ultravox got him into synths, however Numan was the one with the hit, (and some call him a one hit wonder,, ha!) re New Order, formed after Joy Division, who has had more airplay (Joy Division, ) in the past few years than they did when they came out, granted part of that is from using the music in commercials, and from different streaming channels I found it odd when I worked for KRoger that they had the Ramones playing in the store's Musak,,, but I have seen also seen it used in commercials recently, part of me is appalled, and I am more of a British or Cali punk fan, than east coast punk, but at the same time I say fuk yeah! https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/ | |||
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Louie, Louie. How many others can you think which were investigated by the FBI to determine the lyrics? Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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I couldn’t decide between Cars or M’s Pop Muzik. I’d have picked Styx’s album Grand Illusion, but the thread limits us to a song and AOR doesn’t fit. So I went back further and picked Yes’ I’ve Seen All Good People even though it’s an electric organ, but also for the vocal harmonies and overall structure that gets repeated through the 70s. Thinking about it and given the organ intro, I’ll give the nod to Pop Muzik over Cars because it literally crosses over within the song. I picked Styx’s Lady for kicking off the Power Ballad. I picked Summertime Blues for being the first song of summer that I can think of. The Beach Boys not only covered it, but created an entire catalog of music around it. And who hasn’t covered it? Oh wait, they did. Plus, it’s Punk in 1958. A case could also be made for Eddie Cochran’s Twenty Flight Rock which a 15 year old, Paul, played while auditioning for a guy, John, in 1957. Paul had his 14 year old buddy, George, audition for John a bit later.This message has been edited. Last edited by: trapper189, | |||
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I might push back on this. Right off the bat I thought of “Long, Long Time,” Linda Ronstadt (1970). “Crying,” Roy Orbison (1961). _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Then you’d have to consider Unchained Melody first sung by Todd Duncan in the movie Unchained in 1955 and more specifically the 1965 version sung by The Righteous Brothers. I wouldn’t say either kicked off the Power Ballad. I was thinking within the thread’s context of Rock History. Maybe Badfinger’s Without You, but it misses on the grandeur of a Power Ballad.
Nice song, but is it a Power Ballad? And did anything change afterwards? Better would have been The Righteous Brothers You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feelin’ from 1964 which lays out most of the elements the Power Ballad, except nothing really changed for 10 more years until Styx’s Lady. It seems like every band after that had a Power Ballad which is why I think Lady is an important song in rock history. | |||
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It appears that my definition of a power ballad differs from at least one source, Wiki. In my mind, tempo, and a strong vocal that builds, leading to a big finish is a power ballad. Wiki wants a guitar solo in there. When I search for famous power ballads I find a list of 80s hair bands, that just weren’t my jam. In the end, it’s all music and there’s something for everyone. Have a great day! LS1 GTO posted “Louie, Louie,” and mentioned that the FBI investigated the lyrics, which must have been hilarious. It occurs to me that “Gloria” might be mentioned here, not because of lyrics but because of that garage band sound and how big it was with local bands (then called “combos”). 6guns just posted “Rumble.” If the lyrics to “Louie, Louie” being investigated is remarkable, how about “Rumble,” an instrumental, being banned in several radio markets because it was felt the song encouraged juvenile delinquency and street violence. This because the song title was associated with the play/movie West Side Story. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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I have always considered Stairway to Heaven to be the earliest "power ballad". "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Ian Curtis held Joy Division back in my opinion. The addition of Gillian Gilbert fixed everything wrong with Joy Division. Oh and for East Coast punk, try The Hex Dispensers. (here's a whole album) He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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Kraftwerk influenced too much to list. Much of rap music in the 80's sampled Kraftwerk and their durm riffs. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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