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Originally posted by Peanut71:
Was it just me or was there some real inconsistencies with the distance from the rebel base and the first order walkers? The speeders have this long drawn out approach which would lead me to believe they traveled a great distance yet Finn drags Rose’s body back in like 2 minutes.

Yeah, that bugged the crap out of me. It took those speeders several minutes to get there (assuming 120 mph, taking even 2 minutes, that would equate to 4 miles). Yet, here is Finn dragging that honking big piece of sheet metal with the girl on it. AND, he managed to get past the ENTIRE walker fleet without anybody noticing. . .

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Is it possible that Kylo was simply lying about Rey's backround? There does seem to be some "fluidity" with respect to truthiness and SW characters and their pasts.

This is what I think. He's trying to persuade her to join him. He's doing this by telling her she's 'all alone' with nobody to run home to (she spent the majority of the first movie obsessing over her family). Of course, it could just be crap writing, too. . .


I actually liked Laura Dern's character. The fact that she never wore what anybody would consider a 'uniform' was actually pretty good; this 'non-military' officership style contrasted with Po's excessive impulsiveness (he bragged how they brought down a Dreadnought, while she pointed out how many people died doing so - he was obsessed with 'victories' while she was worried about the people who died because of his rashness).

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But seriously, the entire Finn, Poe, casino plot was totally worthless and unnecessary.

I had 'prequel flashbacks.' It was just TOO MUCH. I also hated how BB8 shot coins like some stupid machine gun. And later, I literally groaned when BB8 took control of the AT-ST in the Super Star Destroyer hangar. STUPID!!!!!!!!! I like BB8, but they treated him like the prequels treated R2D2; as some bad-ass unstoppable war machine.

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Rey being nobody pisses me off because if you watch TFA again, Kylo clearly knows who she is or has some feeling about her. He flips out about "some girl" stealing the Falcon and getting away with Finn and BB-8, and he almost seems afraid of her, like he knows what she can do.

Yeah, Ren KNEW about Rey (their names are even off by only a single letter). He freaked out when he heard 'a girl' escaped from Jakku. There is more to her story than 'some drifters who sold her for gin money.' Either that, or bad writing. At this point, I honestly don't know which is more likely.

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Here is Leia as Mary Poppins. Dueces, I'm out

THAT.

SCENE.

SUCKED.

Reminded me of this equally stupid scene in another equally stupid movie:

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Don't know if you noticed it, but we did get the fat Resistance pilot getting blown out of the sky.

I laughed at that one; a VERY fleeting image of Porkins Jr getting wasted.

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What the hell were all the Star Destroyers for?

They sat around and watched some “bombers” destroy the dreadnaught, then they cruised along like cops chasing a white bronco.

THIS is my biggest gripe; the entire opening scenario that sets the stage for the entire movie.

Rebel fleet is being chased by the First Order fleet. Somehow, they can track the one rebel ship, because, reasons, I guess? And Finn, somehow, knows EXACTLY where this tracker is, because he was ALSO the janitor on that ship, too (besides being on Starkiller Base and Hux's Star Destroyer in EpVII, because, reasons?) So, they all just leisurely chase the rebel fleet for BLOODY HOURS (what, at least 7 hrs?) plinking at them at the rate of one shot every 10 seconds or so? And the support ships just run out of fuel and die, without making one last jump to at least TRY to escape? Their loss was entirely unnecessary, as the entire plan consisted of getting to Crait to hold out for help. They KNEW they could not make it, so they didn't even try to escape. . .

That Super Star Destroyer could have OBLITERATED the rebel cruiser in about 2 seconds by firing its entire forward battery at it. No shields could have 'repelled firepower of that magnitude.' Also, as has been already stated, why NOT send in the TIE fighters? Snoke's ship alone probably had at LEAST a thousand TIEs (not to mention TIE bombers and other ships); they could have spammed the rebels' defenses and obliterated them in about 10 seconds.

Or, how about this: there were about 7 First Order ships. They ALL have light speed. Why not take half of them and jump 100 miles ahead of the rebel cruiser, turn around, and surround them. THERE WAS NO REASON that this chase should have lasted more than 2 minutes.

The movie was full of cringe-inducing scenes, such as:

Casino scene with giant rabbits. I had flashbacks to the prequels (*shudders involuntarily*).
Luke milking the giant ugly sea lions. I mean, WTH????? GROSS!
Those creepy 'nuns' tending the Jedi village.
Luke coming across like some creepy dude driving a white van handing out candy to small children.
Who was Snoke? Nah, we don't need to know. Just kill him.
Leia flying through space? I died a little inside when that happened.
On Crait, they only sent about 2 dozen TIEs after the rebels. A normal Star Destroyer had at least 100 TIEs; and there were 7-8 ships in the fleet. They were worried about pilot crew rest or something?
Too much unnecessary humor - like the 'put on a towel' thing with Rey and Ren's force vision. Reminded me of Thor Ragnarok, were they tried to cram in humor where it didn't belong.
The Dreadnaught's appearance was cool, but WHY didn't they launch a SINGLE fighter against Po's X-wing? The commander even said they should have launched fighters '5 minutes ago.' And you are telling me this hulking death machine ONLY as about a dozen defensive guns, all of which can be taken out by a single fighter? And those bombers were stupid. That's what Y-Wings are for (they can actually maneuver and defend themselves).



The movie did have some good parts. I liked that Capt Phasma actually DID something this movie. Her character was a total waste in Ep VII.
I loved that 'cruiser at light speed taking down the Super Star Destroyer.' It was a very cool visual.
I liked the Porgs (space penguins/otters/Pokémon). They were excessively cute, but I liked them anyway. Especially when one was looking down the light saber barrel while the other one was jumping on the activation button.
As much as I hate C3PO, I didn't actually mind him in this one.
I liked the 'evil BB8.'
The visuals were amazing. I audibly gasped when the Dreadnaught first appeared. Those antique speeders on Crait were kind of nifty.



Overall, I was disappointed by the missed opportunities. Yet another stupid plot churned out by a focus group without any real attempt to stay true to the original story and the fans.

I honestly thought Leia being blown into space was how they were going to handle Carrie Fisher dying in real life.

But I guess all of those extra scenes she was in would have been too hard to re-shoot....

They must have had some plan for her to be a bad-ass force user in the next movie, but obviously that won't work now.

Apparent They are already going back to JJ Abrams for the next movie.. well I officially don’t give a shit about a new Star Wars movie now..

I loved it and thought it was much better done than that piece of shit Force Awakens.

The near constant quips and odd humor was overdone for sure and some characters were complete pointless in the movie, like 3CP0, but it felt like fresh material to me for the most part and not a mashup/reboot like FA was.

Did anyone catch at the very end, that little kid reaches out for his broom and it sort of jumps into his hand?

I loved it.

First, I get each and every one of the gripes.

1) Physics - pffft!
2) Fleet combat - Pfft!
3) Resistance discipline/command structure - Pfft!
4) Casino scene - Pfft!

But it over came that.

First the physics, fleet combat issues are absolutely the same for EACH AND EVERY MOVIE. IMO you can't blame this movie for breaking the camels back.

Second, I like that fact that, from here, its hard to know the importance of the various characters. Is Rey Luke, Finn Leia, Poe Han? Something else? I LIKE the not knowing! This is what I HATED about the prequels, I KNOW WHERE THE F*ing STORY IS GOING! Put Anakin in as much peril as you want, you know what? I know he lives. At least there is some mystery left.

Third, I loved the humor for the most part. I get that YMMV. That's why there are movies like Taladega Nights, everyone like different stuff. And I loved Thor: Rangarok

Fourth, plot holes are the things that make hyperspace possible in the Star Wars Universe. Every movie suffers from them. The reason TESB is the best movie is that it has the least, but to be fair it only has to take us from B to C without losing the fans.

Finally, this movie gave us so much of what we wanted. Blue milk (THIS, This is why they had that scene with the sea cows, for Luke to show us were blue milk come from, plot hole solved!), not one but two fantastic light saber duels, some Fleet on Fleet action, and some character movement towards an endpoint. I say "an" endpoint because if you think Star Wars Nine is going to be the end of the Star Wars Universe then I want some of what you're smoking.

All in all, a good movie. As good as Rogue One, not as good as TESB.

My $.02 for not even that amount.

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Originally posted by Loswsmith:
Blue milk (THIS, This is why they had that scene with the sea cows, for Luke to show us were blue milk come from, plot hole solved!)

The milk on Tatooine was blue and from Banthas, the milk he obtains from the sea creature on Ach-To was green.

I think i watched a different movie then lowsmith


When was there one good lightsaber battle? Let alone 2?


Remind me where, anywhere in the movie, other than the flashback scene where Luke is thinking of killing Ren, that a lightsaber touches another lightsaber


It doesn't happen

You have a contrived fight where Rey and Ren fight samurai

And you have the Ren and Luke battle that wasn't a battle where Force projection Luke dodges Ren because his lightsaber isn't really there, and so there is nothing to touch

And yes, the milk the green, not blue, and those sea creatures do not exist on the desert planet of tatooine.

And I don't mind not knowing where the characters are going at all. It is certainly more forgivable than the prequels, where Lucas KNEW the ending and still fucked it up


And the physics was not the same in every other movie. We have never had gravity in zero g before.

As I said earlier, I know I am more overly critical of Star Wars than anything

But I also think too many people are willing to look past way too much with this movie because, hey, Star Wars


But that's the great thing about this. Reasonable people can disagree

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Originally posted by Kevbo:

When was there one good lightsaber battle? Let alone 2?

I think you are splitting hairs.

Now, I don't want anybody to think that I loved this movie (my overwhelming attitude was one of disappointment when the credits rolled), but there were two good light saber fights.

1. Ren and Rey fighting the Praetorian Guard. I think the fact that Ren and Rey didn't use their sabres against each other is beside the point - it was a cool fight, with the force users against the really cool guards.

2. Luke vs Ren. The fact that Luke 'really wasn't there' is irrelevant, IMO. It was a decent fight (better than anything in the original trilogy, IMO).

There were some genuinely good parts, but the balance of the whole was negative.

We don't know where Rey came from (I don't buy that line about her parents being some random vagrants - WHY would Luke's (and Vader's) light saber 'call to her' if she had no familial relationship to it? Lame-o writing, or simply Ren lying to her to convince her to come to the dark (he WANTED her to feel alone and unloved, so she could find her sense of belonging with him).

Snoke who? Who cares. Dead. Move on.

And it was depressing. My wife stated that 'everybody died.' No matter how much they talk about 'lighting the spark that will bring down the First Order,' there is NO PROOF that this will happen. Sure, there was that ONE child with the broom, but NONE of the rebel alliance came to their rescue on Crait. NO ONE. And out of a crew of hundreds that evac'd the base, they lost 100% of their ships, and all but about 2 dozen people. It was as close to a 'total loss' as one can imagine.

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Originally posted by rekstrom:
My issue was with the whole non stop theme of "we are the resistance," as in #resist! The evil arms dealers, the multi cultural resistance, made up of hollywood elites no doubt. Ick.

Yeah, the thinly veiled agenda of Girl Power coupled with a "multi-cultural" Resistance vs. the evil white male First Order was not too subtle

I actually liked the Luke versus Ren scene, although I think the Vader/Luke battles in both Empire and Jedi were better. How many actual swings did Ren take in that fight?

I see what you're saying. Lightsaber battle includes any battle that involves a lightsaber

In my brain, for example, in the force awakens the fight between Finn and the storm trooper with the lightning stick wasn't a lightsaber battle, but the battle at then with Ren versus Finn/Rey was

I get where that's splitting hairs, and I totally see what you mean....don't know why I view it that way, and hadn't really thought about it until you pointed it out

So we had two fights involving lightsabers

As I said, I liked the Luke/Ren fight, but not for the lightsaber stuff, more for how it was resolved....compare it, for example, to Obi Wan vs. Maul which, although I despise the phantom menace, I think is the best dual in the series

The throne room scene I just can't get behind

To me it looked like someone said "heh, how about we have Rey and Ren fight samurai" and then they twisted the story to give us that fight....kind of like how in Marvel's Civil War everything was contrived to give us the airport fight between the super heroes

The fighting itself wasn't bad, I guess, although I didn't like the crouching tiger, hidden dragon everyone has a different martial arts weapon that can counteract lightsabers


You're right, I was being overly nitpicky

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Battle of Crait

Meanwhile, having recovered, Leia neutralizes Poe and allows the evacuation to begin. Holdo remains on the main ship to mislead Snoke's fleet as all the others escape to an old Rebel Alliance base on the nearby planet Crait. However, DJ reveals the Resistance's plan to the First Order, and the evacuation transports are targeted with heavy losses. However, Holdo sacrifices herself to ram the Raddus into the Supremacy at lightspeed, cleaving it in half and destroying much of its escort fleet instantly. BB-8 frees Rose and Finn, who escape after defeating Phasma, and join the Resistance survivors in an abandoned mine.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki...e_VIII_The_Last_Jedi

I feel like ever since Return of the Jedi, people have hated the most recent Star Wars movie for one reason or another.

They certainly have been more polarizing that henoriginals, but there were a fair amount of people irritated with ROTJ after ESB

I hated the prequels

But I liked Force Awakens and really liked Rogue One


I thought Force Awakens was a great reboot to the franchise after the disaster that was the prequels. Sure it was derivative of 4, but people loved 4 and they needed more of what they loved to get it going again

That’s one of the reasons I don’t as so bitterly disappointed in 8. I liked where 7 got us heading

A buddy of mine’s brother put this on his Facebook page


“JJ Abrams loaded the bases and served up a home run pitch to Rian Johnson and his writers. Johnson not only didn’t take a swing, he promptly flipped off the crowd and walked off the field.”

That fairly well Describes my take on 8 after 7

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Originally posted by ryan81986:
I feel like ever since Return of the Jedi, people have hated the most recent Star Wars movie for one reason or another.

I HATED, HATED, HATED that POS movie called Force Awakens, I just didn’t need to see Episode IV mashed up and regurgitated with an aged, sad Harrison Ford trying to act like he was 30 years old again.

I LOVED Rogue One. The final 2 minutes of that movie was SO BADASS, and I loved how you could literally begin A New Hope immediately after that ended.

I LOVED Last Jedi because it felt like they were finally trying to have these new Star Wars begin to stand on their own with new characters and not too many old ones.

I did occur to me that Rey going to Luke and pestering him to train her was an homage to Luke going to Yoda who didn’t want to be bothered at first and kept trying to blow him off.

It’s funny but the people that loved Force Awakens seem to hate Last Jedi and vice versa for some reason.

I didn't love TFA. I didn't dislike it either. I just don't get how all the supposed Star Wars fans that love TLJ can overlook so many absolute flaws in that film. And it's always the same excuse, which is essentially the mantra of the film--get rid of the old, get on with the new. Sorry, but that's not enough of a reason to love such a stinking pile of shit so blindly.

This is hilarious

And pretty much right on point



https://youtu.be/1v2PV52WNLY

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Originally posted by Kevbo:
This is hilarious

And pretty much right on point



https://youtu.be/1v2PV52WNLY

Hahahahaha!
A perfect, succinct summary.

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Originally posted by PASig:
I HATED, HATED, HATED that POS movie called Force Awakens, I just didn’t need to see Episode IV mashed up and regurgitated with an aged, sad Harrison Ford trying to act like he was 30 years old again.

I LOVED Rogue One. The final 2 minutes of that movie was SO BADASS, and I loved how you could literally begin A New Hope immediately after that ended.

I LOVED Last Jedi because it felt like they were finally trying to have these new Star Wars begin to stand on their own with new characters and not too many old ones.

I did occur to me that Rey going to Luke and pestering him to train her was an homage to Luke going to Yoda who didn’t want to be bothered at first and kept trying to blow him off.

It’s funny but the people that loved Force Awakens seem to hate Last Jedi and vice versa for some reason.

TFA was not too good other than the nice looking young lady. Too cheesy, too similar to ANH, and then there is JJ who I cannot stand. Rogue One was ok, looking at it as a side deal, made it ok. But it wasn’t a good enough film on its’ own. I walked out of both, disappointed. Both made for revenue and milking tattays. And now they are actually milking tits in this one. What Disney needs is top shelf directors and better writers. But both would require Disney to pay folks more which means less $ for them. And a great director is going to want control, and good luck getting Disney to do that. Too many hands in the cookie jar.

But maybe I’m like you, because I didn’t like TFA, maybe I should go see this deal and find out. I’m just tired of Disney but maybe on a matinee or something where it’s cheap. I refuse to pay $20.

Terrible.

Just absolutely terrible.

I want my money back.