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Originally posted by Kevbo:

although I didn't like the crouching tiger, hidden dragon everyone has a different martial arts weapon that can counteract lightsabers

This never made sense to me. WHY have all these specialized weapons that really ONLY excel against light sabers, when (at the time) only 2-3 people in the entire galaxy have light sabers (and 1 of those is Snoke's apprentice, the 2nd has been living in exile for 10 years, and the third only came on the scene less than a month previously)? At least one can argue that General Grievous' personal guards needed 'energy sticks' to fight against people armed with light sabers, as he lived in an era where Jedi were plentiful. By the time of Ep VIII, it's just ridiculous. It's like the US Secret Service carrying only Claymore swords in case somebody attacks POTUS with a broadsword.

I mean, what if somebody approached Snoke with a blaster pistol? They could pick off the Praetorian Guard from 100 feet away. Of course, Snoke can protect himself, but then, why does he need a guard to begin with if he's relying on himself to protect against people armed with 'normal' weapons?

Blasters would be MUCH MORE practical for Snoke's guard.

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You're right, I was being overly nitpicky

Nothing wrong with that. I live to nit-pick. I'm actually a "Star Wars Refugee," as they effectively killed off Star Trek, and I needed another fandom to go to (that is actually putting out new content). You should see me rip on the Chris Pine Star Trek movies. . .

I'm getting the sense that generally the people who liked the movie are more on the liberal side. At least I'm seeing a lot of attacks against people who have a different opinion... very liberal of them.

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Originally posted by matai:
I'm getting the sense that generally the people who liked the movie are more on the liberal side. At least I'm seeing a lot of attacks against people who have a different opinion... very liberal of them.

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Originally posted by matai:
I'm getting the sense that generally the people who liked the movie are more on the liberal side. At least I'm seeing a lot of attacks against people who have a different opinion... very liberal of them.

Whom is attacking whom here?

I see a bunch of differing opinions, but not the 'attacks against people' that you describe. . .

Unless, you see a different opinion than yours as an 'attack.'

I guess my point is that EVERY SW movie had huge plot holes, even Rogue One whose very existence was to "solve" a plot hole. This one is no different.

I can see all your points. Its just that, for me, THIS movie made me happier with the belief that the SW universe was going somewhere.

I don't think Nine will be like Six, by which I mean something signalling "The End", all done, yay Good, boo Evil. I think it will wrap up some arcs and make room for future spin offs going new places in the Universe.

Buying into Star Wars comes with a HUGE GULP of the SW Kool-Aid. You CAN NOT expect it to make any sort of sense outside of the movie its in. If you like that Cherry-lime taste, you're G2G. If not, then I get that too.

For me, punched all my right buttons and the flaws I could overlook.

And as to be overly nitpicky - that's why we like to watch the movies. I love picking the nits, doesn't change the way I feel about the movie.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by matai:
I'm getting the sense that generally the people who liked the movie are more on the liberal side. At least I'm seeing a lot of attacks against people who have a different opinion... very liberal of them.

Whom is attacking whom here?

I see a bunch of differing opinions, but not the 'attacks against people' that you describe. . .

Unless, you see a different opinion than yours as an 'attack.'

Not here, other sites

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by Kevbo:

although I didn't like the crouching tiger, hidden dragon everyone has a different martial arts weapon that can counteract lightsabers

This never made sense to me. WHY have all these specialized weapons that really ONLY excel against light sabers, when (at the time) only 2-3 people in the entire galaxy have light sabers (and 1 of those is Snoke's apprentice, the 2nd has been living in exile for 10 years, and the third only came on the scene less than a month previously)? At least one can argue that General Grievous' personal guards needed 'energy sticks' to fight against people armed with light sabers, as he lived in an era where Jedi were plentiful. By the time of Ep VIII, it's just ridiculous. It's like the US Secret Service carrying only Claymore swords in case somebody attacks POTUS with a broadsword.

I mean, what if somebody approached Snoke with a blaster pistol? They could pick off the Praetorian Guard from 100 feet away. Of course, Snoke can protect himself, but then, why does he need a guard to begin with if he's relying on himself to protect against people armed with 'normal' weapons?

Blasters would be MUCH MORE practical for Snoke's guard.

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You're right, I was being overly nitpicky

Nothing wrong with that. I live to nit-pick. I'm actually a "Star Wars Refugee," as they effectively killed off Star Trek, and I needed another fandom to go to (that is actually putting out new content). You should see me rip on the Chris Pine Star Trek movies. . .

If you go back to the original trilogy, the Imperial Guard carried spear-things rather than blasters. It's been a while since I watched them, but I don't think we ever actually see them get used.

One interesting observation I'm making just from reading here and online, FB, reviews etc

If you LOVED Force Awakens, you HATED Last Jedi

If you HATED Force Awakens, you LOVED Last Jedi

Just an observation, but it's kind of funny how that seems to be the case!

The new evil foe for Episode 9 has been announced.

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Originally posted by oddball:
Yeah, the thinly veiled agenda of Girl Power coupled with a "multi-cultural" Resistance vs. the evil white male First Order was not too subtle

I think the agenda is loud and proud--and all about making money. I saw this Star Wars Girl Power t-shirt in a Target ad on TV the other day.

I’m not sure I fit in that category, but it’s an interesting observation

Some things about the Force Awakens and me

1). I found I liked it less the more I saw it. I haven’t gotten to nearly the level of hate I am at with the last Jedi. I attribute this mostly to the fact that I thought the prequels were so bad that I was pleasantly surprised when TFA was not PM. I guess the plus
To My absolute hatred of TLJ is I might be pleasantly surprised by IX

2). It’s a movie I enjoy a lot more if I watch it from the beginning. I can’t explain this. Generally with movies I like, and certainly the original 3, if I am flipping around and catch it in the middle I will watch from whatever point it’s at. I can’t do this with the Force Awakens. Don’t ask me to explain it. I can’t.


I get a fairly diverse set of opinions from my fairly diverse friend sets.

I have the guys I was in the army with

The guys I went to law school with (when I was a lot older than them)

I get the guys I shoot with

The ones I play D&D and PS4 games with

The ones I’ve met through the various a activites my kids do, which includes my sons a capella choir group, and his varsity basketball teammates (the one is populated by “nerds”, for the other my kid is the only nerd)

I also have an 11 and 6 year old and all the parents I see the various places for their activities

And then my employees and their families

And then the friends I’ve had forever. I actually saw TLJ last Thursday with a buddy o saw ROTJ with in 1983

The vast reaction to this movie, across all these groups, is overwhelmingly negative

The exception to this are three groups

1). People who were kids when the prequels came out
...particularly if they were elementary aged when they first saw the phantom menace (THIS IS THE MOST COMMON ATTRIBUTE I HAVE FOUND AMONGST THE PEOPLE I KNOW THAT LIKED TLJ)

2). People with little kids who are new to Star Wars and this and TFA are new to their kids

3). People who are at best casual Star Wars fans. That their only glimpse into the universe is the movies, and that’s really their only interaction...they don’t delve deeper through the merchandise, comics, books, EU, etc.



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Originally posted by PASig:
One interesting observation I'm making just from reading here and online, FB, reviews etc

If you LOVED Force Awakens, you HATED Last Jedi
If you HATED Force Awakens, you LOVED Last Jedi

Just an observation, but it's kind of funny how that seems to be the case!

Well, I hated the Force Awakens to. I was 9yrs old when when a new hope was released and I've been a huge fan since but I'm not overly nostalgic about the originals. They had a lot of faults and it got worse with the prequels but I understood what Lucas was trying to do. As a fan the Disney Wars movies are extremely disappointing no doubt but I hate them because they're just bad movies and that's just inexcusable.

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
The new evil foe for Episode 9 has been announced.

He was killed already by Kylo Ren in the beginning scene of The Force Awakens.

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Originally posted by PASig:
One interesting observation I'm making just from reading here and online, FB, reviews etc

If you LOVED Force Awakens, you HATED Last Jedi

If you HATED Force Awakens, you LOVED Last Jedi

Just an observation, but it's kind of funny how that seems to be the case!

What if, like me, you hated both?

I give it a solid Meh/Meh, I'm able to discount all the old EU stuff but I can't say I'm in love with the new cannon.

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Originally posted by kkina:
Is it possible that Kylo was simply lying about Rey's backround? There does seem to be some "fluidity" with respect to truthiness and SW characters and their pasts.

Yeah on reflection I don't buy Kylo Ren's explanation of her parentage for a second.

The flashback sequence related to Rey's parents involves a spaceship flying away. Jaku dirt farmers that wound up buried in a dirt plot are not going to be hopping on any spaceships to go drink away whatever they sold their daughter for.

Does not add up unless glaring continuity error.

Also, guys...she was already a competent fighter with that staff at the beginning of TFA, presumably having more or less fended for herself for God knows how long. She's a scavenger, so I have to imagine she gained mechanical knowledge. "Rip out the shiny stuff" probably doesn't cut it. Piloting? Who knows. There's lasers and laser swords and spaceships and you're annoyed because we didn't blow a whole movie or two watching her grow up on Jaku?

Yes, there needs to be some explanation here but so far I'm enjoying the movies.

For the record I wasn't blown away by this movie but I did thoroughly enjoy most of it - especially the fight in the throne room, and the final battle (or faux battle?) with Luke. I like the way they handled that.

Yes, Mary Poppins Leia was pretty stupid...as were plenty of other things.

That hyperspace suicide run was also one of the coolest applications of that trope I've seen thus far.

Still digesting but the single biggest thing that pissed me off about this movie was the way they handled Luke until about the last fifteen minutes.

I am so glad I intentionally did not read this thread. I saw the movie this evening.

I've watched all the SW movies to this point in the time they were released.

I truly think this was the best Star Wars movie as far as I'm concerned. I saw it for the homage it was to the first three movies in the series. I also like the interjection of humor and throwbacks. It's like "Remember the time..."

Starting from the beginning with the blue straight on message and different music. Then as if they said, "Psych!" they switch back to the old scrolling font and music.

For those who remember how Luke Skywalker liked milk, there's the milking scene. To me who don't pay attention to details, it was just odd to me.

The casino scene was an homage to the bar scene. Yeah, I caught the political "you know how this nice place got to be nice? From people selling weapons... to both sides."

There were some odd things, to be sure, like the slow chase scene and lobbing shots, the Mary Poppins scene, t-boning the one fighter that was going to kill off the ram weapon, the matrix move that Skywalker did, etc.

But still, even with all of that, I was fully entertained and I enjoyed the movie.

I saw every Star Wars movie in the theater when originally released. I avoided all spoilers before seeing this one yesterday.

This was, quite possibly, the worst movie I ever saw in a theater. Total rubbish. I might be done with Star Wars.

I walked out of TLJ a little numb last night. By this morning, I found myself mildly irritated. After reading so many spot-on criticism's of the movie, I'm moving toward pissed. Here are the things that bugged me most (if others already had the same observations, my apologies, too much in this thread to read).

1. Laura Dern: What was the point? Why present as a planless dolt if you got a plan?

2. My biggest issue with good old Laura: Why stay behind as a personal sacrifice, then blandly watch escape pod after escape pod get roached (she looked more like an extra in an Earl Grey Tea commercial than a leader), then FINALLY launch into the enemy at light speed? The light speed enema should have been served up lickity split after the pods departed.

3. The PO character seems like just another guy (like any crew member in a red shirt on Star Trek). I'm just not getting any sense of charisma from this guy. Like so many of the "new" characters, we're getting "zero.zero" character development.

4. During the final battle of the movie, Rey and Chewie lead all the fighter ships away, destroy them in the cavern chase, then disappear until the end of the film. How about a little attack from the rear action against all those Empire craft, including the battering ram cannon.

5. The trenches in front of the big gate had all kinds of rebel soldiers in them, but only a few folks made it out the "back door" when Rey floated the rocks. I guess there wasn't enough room in the M. Falcon so those guys just wandered off.

6. Finally, does every dark force enforcer (Darth/Kylo)have to kill a school full of Jedi-lings? How about getting a badass school resource officer to guard the old temple? Seems like we're seeing the same movie over and over again.

Overall, a movie that did not seem to have any sense of respect for the Star Wars universe or its loyal fans.

-mb