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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
I predict Daenerys will accuse Sam Tarly for treason when she finds out what he told Jon. She will claim he's saying this only for revenge for the death of Sam's father and brother and to dethrone her. He will suffer the same fate...death by dragon fire...when he doesn't "bend the knee". Sam's only defense will be if he brought the books with the diary and writings of the old Maester that tell of the marriage between Rhaegar and Lyanna. Bran, the 3-eyed Raven, will have to play a hand in this as well, to convey Lyanna's wishes to Eddard Stark.

Yeah, Daeny's initial reaction is likely be that it's all a plot to steal the crown from her, but Sam did indeed mention to her the old books he took from the Citadel, I imagine as a setup so he can show proof of Jon's true identity. Agreed that also Bran should be able to tell Daeny stuff about her own life that proves his ability to see the past is real. Heck, he could even possibly warg into one of the dragons to demonstrate his powers. Additionally, avid reader that he is, Tyrion may be aware of stories of the true nature of Rhaegar and Lyanna's relationship. Same for The Spider.

I don't think there is enough time left in the series to have a long hash out of a Jon is a Targ who is the rightful king storyline.

The army of the dead will be at the gates of Winterfell at the latest at the end of episode 2.

I could see a few possibilities as to how this would play out.

Jon is losing respect of the northern houses since he bent the knee. Sansa is on the rise in the north due to her administration in Jon's absence.

Good guys win the war(s).

Jon leaves the north as he is no Stark and bent the knee. He either marries Dany or Dany dies and he takes the iron throne as the last Targ.

Jon dies and it is moot.

Sansa who is not a fighter, so unlikely to die in battle, ends up as lady of Winterfell and warden of the north.

Jon and Dany die and Sansa and Tyrion lead the remaining army south and sit the iron throne together. Don't laugh, Tyrion was always kind to Sansa, even when he held power over her and technically they are still married.

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Originally posted by daikyu:
Sansa and Tyrion lead the remaining army south and sit the iron throne together. Don't laugh, Tyrion was always kind to Sansa, even when he held power over her and technically they are still married.

Sansa and Tyrion's marriage was never consummated, so I believe it's void.

Tyrion made a point of telling her that he would not force her to consummate their marriage. And I believe the fact that their marriage was null because it was unconsummated was later explicitly laid out by Littlefinger at some point while delivering her to the North. (Although that might have been in the books. It's tough to keep it straight.)

Either way, explicit stated to be null or not, Sansa was then (forcibly) married off to Ramsay Bolton, and that marriage was (forcibly) consummated. But Ramsay was later killed.

So technically, I think Sansa is a widow, and Tyrion had been forced back to being a bachelor yet again several seasons ago. (His second time... He had previously fallen in love with and married a peasant girl named Tysha, but that marriage was annulled when Tywin Lannister found out his son had married a commoner.)

I'm surprised Sansa hasn't announced a pregnancy. She was raped on a nightly basis by Ramsay.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

Yeah...she's gonna have a second thought when that "I'm your nephew and the true king" line gets dropped on her.

A Targaryen won't think twice about banging even a close relative, but the "true king" thing will be a real problem.

I am flirting with the idea that the North and the Night King wear each other out, leaving scheming Cersei as the last man standing. (The main thing that makes this not likely is that the fans would HATE it in all caps.)

I predict that Jaime will ask Bran if he needs a push. Bran will retort by asking Jaime is he needs a hand.

I just hope it does not have a Hollywood ending. By that I mean that the good guys win and everything is resolved. The films of the 1940s often had endings that were not upbeat. Evil triumphed and the bad guys were rewarded. Cersei triumphs would be a starter.

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Shakespeare wrote lots of tragedies. I can see this turning out that Cersei OR the Night King wins.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
I predict that Jaime will ask Bran if he needs a push. Bran will retort by asking Jaime [if] he needs a hand.

The night king is Targaryen

The Night King is Bran.

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
The Night King is Bran.

They do resemble each other...

Speculation: Daenerys is secretly pregnant with Jon's baby. Both her and Jon are killed leaving Sansa and Tyrion (along with Bran, Varys, Ser Jorah Mormont, Theron Greyjoy,and a dragon or two) to raise the baby as the new King. Arya will end up as in a new position, "The King's Wrath". Oh when the new King comes of age, he marries the toughest person on the show, Lady Lyanna Mormont of Bear Island.

The Night King will be killed as he attempts to kiss Cersi, the only being with heart colder than his. Cersi will retreat to the North to plot her revenge.

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
The Night King is Bran.

Is Bran evil? Or is this is plan to unite everyone through a cause?

I don't think Jon wants to be king. He'd be happy to abdicate in favor of Danerys, and if neither of them care about the whole "aunt/nephew" thing, they could simply rule together.

My prediction is that the Night King is the old Brandon Stark aka Bran the Builder who built the wall and Winterfell, or possibly of early Stark/Targaryen descent. I think the Night King wants Jon alive to take his place as the next Night King. And Bran as the three eyed raven will sit in the land of always winter with Jon and there will be peace and endless summer in the lands to the south.

The Night King can ride Viserion. Targaryens ride dragons. Hence the Night King could be part Targaryen.

The Night King let Jon live. He could've easily killed him at Hardhome, and also at the frozen lake. But he lived.
Benjen Stark was a half-wight. I think he was sent by the Night King to the frozen lake to save Jon.
The Night King wants Jon alive.

I predict Tyrion is half Targaryen.
He will sit the Iron Throne at King's Landing, ensuring peace throughout Westeros in cooperation with Jon who will be the true King in the North.

Danerys will either be killed by Jon, or will survive to sit as lady of Winterfell, since there are dragon eggs underneath it.

I like this theory. The dead kings in the Stark crypts might be whites.

He rambles though. This video is about twice as long as it needs to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGNOdwrJ4H0

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
The Night King is Bran.

Is Bran evil? Or is this is plan to unite everyone through a cause?

Bran-Night-King is an unintentional accident of Bran-the-Cripple tampering with the timeline and inadvertently creating/becoming the very thing Bran-the-Cripple is trying to stop.

I think Bran the Builder and the old 3-eyed Raven are all Bran-the-Cripple. The Mad King was driven mad by Bran-the-Cripple/3-eyed Raven attempting to warn him about the Night King, which once again lead right back to the circumstances that produced Bran-the-Cripple, who then had excessive time to explore his Greenseer abilities to the fullest--which ended up creating the Night King.

Bran the Builder was one of Bran-the-Cripple's attempts to stop the Night King. Bran-the-3-eyed-Raven was an attempt to teach Bran-the-Cripple to use his powers responsibly and not screw up the timeline (after he had already made Aerys insane).

Causality.

Denaerys wants to break "the wheel", but she doesn't quite understand what that truly means. It really means restoring balance to the GoT world--by creating a song of ice and fire.

Denaerys is not actually the savior. Jon is the actual titular figure, the song of ice and fire.

But Jaime is actually Azor Ahai. Jon is the red herring. Jaime is the character on the most redemptive journey and the one who's story has come the fullest circle to balance. It was Jaime who pushed Bran-the-Boy out the window, thus creating the causality loop that is the Night King. As he is on his road to redemption, Jaime has come back to meet Bran again and set things right, thus actually breaking the wheel.

Jaime-as-Azor-Ahai will kill Cersei, his "wife", and, I fear, Tyrion, thus creating Lightbringer, allowing the destruction of the Night King, which also kills Bran (or vice versa).

All of that could be potentially plausible, Oat... except the part where Bran actually created/became the Night King.

We already saw in a flashback/vision that the Children of the Forest created the Night King, many ages ago. That was an unnamed First Man, who is clearly not Bran.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
All of that could be potentially plausible, Oat... except the part where Bran actually created/became the Night King.

We already saw in a flashback/vision that the Children of the Forest created the Night King, many ages ago. That was an unnamed First Man, who is clearly not Bran.

Yes, that is the series version of events, although the Bran version follows the books.

Even in the show, I don't think we've seen the full development of Bran's Greenseer powers.

We have seen that he is already able to interact with the past: Ned almost detects him at the Tower of Joy (which would lend credence to, at the very least, Bran driving Aerys insane). We've also seen the Night King detect Bran repeatedly in the present, and not when he was simply warging an animal.

I don't think it's a far stretch for Bran to have physicality in any time he projects himself into--especially if he's interacting with other people with Greenseer abilities (the Children, Night King, any Stark or Reed, etc.)...we just haven't seen him develop that far yet. Also, Bran can walk when he's projecting, so that's moot.

I think the Three Eyed Raven's advice that he can become lost if he stays too long or interacts too much is exactly what has happened in the scene where the Night King was created. Bran goes to warn the Children, but ends up actually being there and being turned into the Night King.

And the temporal causality has already been touched on through Hodor. We saw Bran witness Wylis/Walder get mind-wiped in the past before Bran did it in the present to hold the door. Bran didn't know the extent of his warging powers and he totally overwrote Wylis's mind, thus unknowingly setting another person up to help future Bran create the very circumstances that created future Bran.

Hodor's story came full circle, so I think we'll see Jaime's as well, since both are intimately connected with Bran-the-Cripple.