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Springfield has started importing the Croatian service rifle. A bullpup .223 that takes AR15 magazines. They call it the VHS, UHF, or VHF, or VCR, or betta max or something over there. Springfield apparently will call it the Hellion Roll Eyes

MSRP is $1999

https://www.springfield-armory...ries/hellion-rifles/





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Looks like a Keltec and a FAMAS had a baby.


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Yes, the VHS- it has three modes of fire: SP, LP and SLP. Don't forget to rewind.

 
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Those are a nice presentations of a very interesting rifle; thanks for posting them.


The range report after the two gun match will be a must see. I wonder how the trigger feels.

The Kel Tec RDB has a pretty nice-for-a-bullpup trigger, and can also be shot from either shoulder without modification.


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That is one ugly rifle, and I’m a SIG SG510 enjoyer.
 
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Its cool, I guess. But it aint 2K worth of cool.


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Its cool, I guess. But it aint 2K worth of cool.


How much are AUGs and Tavors going for these days? In any case, once the initial rush dies out, the street price will drop some.
 
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Its cool, I guess. But it aint 2K worth of cool.


Going rate for bullpups that aren't a Keltec is $1500-$2500. If you're into bullpups, you're paying those prices. If not, then you have a lot more affordable options.

I dunno. I'll have to look into it. Unfortunately, I've become a bullpup fan. The uglier, the better, seems like. Roll Eyes

*Edit - Actually, looks like the going rate for an FS2000 is closer to three grand. It's the only other military bullpup one can get that's fully ambidextrous and won't throw brass in your face if you switch from right shoulder to left without swapping parts parts.

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Its cool, I guess. But it aint 2K worth of cool.



*Edit - Actually, looks like the going rate for an FS2000 is closer to three grand. It's the only other military bullpup one can get that's fully ambidextrous and won't throw brass in your face if you switch from right shoulder to left without swapping parts parts.


The FS2000 has been OOP for a number of years, so that’s likely why it’s so expensive. I wouldn’t call the FS2000 fully ambidextrous since the changing handle is only on one side. The Keltec RDB is fully ambidextrous and you can swap the charging handle between sides. The FN PS90 is fully ambidextrous, and comes with charging handles on both sides.
 
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i noticed a whole slew of youtube vidoes popped up about the same time.

I was strongly considering getting a Tavor X95 since it's been proven but balked since the IDF is switching away from it.

I saw this and liked the features. I may wait a couple of years for any kinks to get worked out in the US market and any improvements.



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I may wait a couple of years for any kinks to get worked out


This isn't a new rifle. Just newly imported to the US civilian market.

Plus, this is the 2nd version of the VHS rifle, designed to address some ergonomic deficiencies with the 1st version.

The VHS-1 version was designed in the 1990s and introduced in 2003, and this updated VHS-2 version has been in production and military use since 2013.

So a couple years on the US civilian market is unlikely to uncover any kinks that haven't already been found and addressed in the prior couple decades of its use.
 
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^^ True, but the rifles are to be sent to the US and have US-compliant parts added (922r, I'm guessing). If there's one thing Century Arms has taught us, it's to wait and see what happens when the rifles actually get to consumers and see some use.

And no, I don't think the price tag is going to act as some sort of guarantee that there won't be a problem. I've been bitching for years that every time a relatively new-to-us EBR gets imported, some mindless jackass arbitrarily assumes $2,000 is a "normal, perfectly reasonable" going price for it.
 
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Plus, this is the 2nd version of the VHS rifle, designed to address some ergonomic deficiencies with the 1st version.
Yes, the VHS-2, also known as "Super VHS"
 
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^^ True, but the rifles are to be sent to the US and have US-compliant parts added (922r, I'm guessing).


922r compliance parts are generally non-operational external stuff like grips, stocks, handguards, and muzzle devices, because those are the quickest and easiest to retrofit. Magazines parts are also counted towards 922r compliance, so with these rifles being supplied with PMAGs, that right there counts as 3 compliance parts (body, floorplate, and follower). In the case of the Hellion, for sure the BCM grip, MLOK handguard, and flash hider are US-made, though it's still unclear which other parts (if any) may be different for the US market for 922r compliance.

(Total US-made parts required differs from rifle to rifle, based on the specific design of the gun. So between the grip, handguard, muzzle device, and the 3 PMAG parts, they may not have needed any additional 922r compliance parts.)

I'd be very surprised if 922r compliance resulted in any internal changes that were so drastically different that it would cause issues.

My point is that, as Ian points out in the video posted by Para, you don't really need to worry about being a "beta tester" for this rifle, since it's already been well-proven for years.

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Yes, the VHS-2, also known as "Super VHS"


Big Grin

Consider the acronym VHS stands for "Višenamjenska Hrvatska Strojnica", Croatian for Multifunctional Croatian Machine Gun...

Super Multifunctional Croatian Machine Gun actually kinda works.

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If there's one thing Century Arms has taught us..

..it's don't buy things built by Century Arms.

I won't say it's Apples and Oranges, but comparing Springfield Armory and Century Arms is like comparing the two most dissimilar apples in the world. Big Grin
 
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..it's don't buy things built by Century Arms.


While that's very true for nearly all of their guns, there are a few "Century" guns that are good quality, like the Vz. 2008s.

(I say "Century" because while Century's name is on them, Century subcontracted out those Vz. 2008 builds, and that other shop actually did them right.)
 
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Where's the "Grip Zone"?
 
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Well known "Century ARMS" is don't buy anything they build but if they just import it you are good to go! Street price on the VHS will be $1600 to $1700 after the hype dies down.


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Originally posted by Syngin1066:
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and I am feeling old now ,, since I get all the VHS (SP/LP / SLP ) and rewind jokes,,,,, Cool



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I like it. Kind of a G36 + Tavor. The fully ambi controls and sling points with easy changes to ejection direction is brilliant. I will probably get one if the trigger doesn't suck too bad.
 
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