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Rustpot is dead on everything, it will need a few upgrades to make it perfect IMO. One thing the Scar does have that ARs don’t: Cool factor. When I get the Scar out everyone want to see it not so much with ARs. David W. Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. -Sophocles | |||
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The SCAR16 does nothing for me, but if it interests you go for it. If I remember right, they also don’t play well with some Magpul models. Personally I’d buy lots of interesting guns before the SCAR, or even night vision equipment. The Century imported MP5 clones do have a $200 rebate at the moment… | |||
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Almost all my firearms practice is done solo at a ranch. The cattle sometimes are interested in what I'm doing, but their reactions are a pretty constant "moo" for every gun I own. When I train with professional instructors, they don't show much interest in students' guns as long as they function properly. The instructors I use focus on course safety, hitting targets, and skills improvement. When I shoot in matches, the competitors focus on leader board scores. When one is shooting well, the questions are generally "How did you handle the challenges in stage #5?", not "What are you shooting?" The cool factor is shooting well. There are many personal reasons why people buy guns, cars, houses, clothes, watches, etc. Sometimes those reasons are for function. Sometimes the reasons are akin to showing off a new purse on TikTok. | |||
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Own a 16,17 and 20s. Least favorite is the 16. It is still a great rifle. Very durable. Buy one if you can find one. You only live once ! Sig 551 W. German P228 W. German P226 Spec. Conf.P220 Navy MK 25 Non rail P229 | |||
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My friends aren’t as sophisticated as Fritz’s friends are. Most of them have a shotgun and hunting rifle so when they see something different they get excited. I dread the day I don’t get excited to see certain guns and get to fondle them, but I guess some people are way past that. David W. Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud. -Sophocles | |||
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Yeah, I’d say fritz’s experience is probably a little unique compared to most of us. I value his input, though. Honestly, I wasn’t angling for it, but a lot of what I bring to the range ends up getting attention from other shooters. I buy what interests me. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Looks like this post is for me! I own the SCAR 16 and 17, the Galil ACE, the Bren 805 AND the Bren 2. Short answer: Get the SCAR in .308 Get the Galil in 7.62x39 Get the Bren 2 in 5.56 I run multi-gun matches and training classes with these, they aren't all safe queens. Of them the Bren 2 is my end of the world weapon. The way it shoots, the weight, the ergos...it's just the one. My particular example is a fully Gucci'd out 11" version. IDPA ESP SS | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Interesting. You have my attention. You listed what you like about the Bren 2, but I'm curious if you'd be willing to go into more detail about those things. Got pics? I have to be honest, I don't really know much about it. I know it's relatively new to market (last few years or so anyway), I know CZ makes good stuff, I know it's an improvement on the last design, and that's about it. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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JonDaddy, how's the Bren with a can? | |||
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KSGM as a regular that I dialog with I'll help if this is an important issue since this ? is sitting here. I've a couple of Bren 2's and they are certainly not the cats meow of JonDaddy82 IMO. I'd never pick one over a Scar for a suppressor as you simply do not have the gas jet adjustment to help tune things. But in any case if its important I'll slap a surefire muzzle device on one and shoot it. Mini or SB2 would be the options. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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The gas plugs on the 16” Bren 2 carbine are different than on the shorter barrel pistols. The second position on the carbine is a suppressed setting, while it’s an adverse setting on the pistols, so you’ll need a different gas plug if you want to suppress a pistol. HBI makes some gas plug mods for the Bren 2. | |||
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And CZ simply will not sell you a gas regulator at the moment. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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I sent my 12.5" Bren 2 gas plug to HBi for a $60 round trip to have it drilled for suppressed use. | |||
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Well said. We often focus on the wrong thing. New guns are fun and all but I have gravitated towards ammunition and skill building drills as things that pique my interest. There are certainly some gradients of the types of firearms that allow one to maximize performance. That sweet spot is rarely with the most expensive option. Nor with the most unique option. That being said, if you want a gun that is unique or even just a bit unusual/uncommon, go for it. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Starting to feel lectured, here. Look, wanting to help is one thing, but I didn’t ask about training or maximizing performance anywhere and I’d appreciate it if we could just keep it on comparing various modern 5.56 rifles, thanks. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Wait a minute. You're the one who said, "Or maybe I'm totally off my nut and maybe I should just "buy a BCM and spend the rest on ammo and training!"" I think you're getting what you asked for. rambo | |||
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I’m pretty sure that was a tongue and cheek reference to the same goofy line the peanut gallery makes when you ask about any gun that isn’t an ar. It gets old. Also, you can enjoy guns and modern ones even without it always having to be some training metric or the like. Particularly ones that are at least equal to the standard fare. | |||
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Just ran cross this video. A couple interesting rifles in here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSaK1akYWQE rambo | |||
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Now Serving 7.62 |
Having owned two Scar 16S’s and a 17S I can share that once I bought the Scar 17S, the 16S’s became irrelevant to me and I sold/traded them. If I were looking to buy another 5.56 right now, I’d get another AUG NATO and a CZ Bren 2. Already have a AUG NATO and it’s so much better than I expected.This message has been edited. Last edited by: 10X-Shooter, | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
This man gets it. Thank you. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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