Shot several hundred rounds through one last weekend. The impressive thing was the DA/SA trigger out of the box. 8 lb DA/4 lb SA. Other than that it shot like any other P Series.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Shot several hundred rounds through one last weekend. The impressive thing was the DA/SA trigger out of the box. 8 lb DA/4 lb SA. Other than that it shot like any other P Series.

Some instructor once said, "the P226 is the finest combat pistol ever designed", at one of several classes I took up in Reading, PA...

I was intrigued enough to get an X-Carry in DA/SA to try. I prefer DA/SA b/c I'm used to it, plus it's an extra amount of safety as I carry AIWB and like to put my thumb on the hammer when I holster...to prevent me from shooting my junk off.

I noted some differences comparing between shooting a full size P226 built by GGI, and this X-Carry:
- the carry version has a dual recoil spring, so the recoil impulse is different than the old school single spring, maybe a bit less overall movement, and seemed to return to original POA maybe slightly more consistently...not enough to sell off all your old guns to move to the carry version
- grip panels - nicely grippy and the shape seems to shift a little bit less in my hands, vs the Hogue custom contours in piranha I have on the GGI gun - I like them - no need to upgrade
- I went with the full package and got the version mounted with the Romeo-X SIG-LOC - optic is fine, pretty much like any RomeoX enclosed, but the mounting system has the screws coming up from under the slide into the optic, vs top thru optic into the slide like all the other Romeo sights - I question the wisdom of this because ALL the gunk is under slide, whereas from the top, I've never had a problem with any fouling getting into the bolt heads - top mounting also allows you to see when you have a broken bolt head (per the other thread I started last week), IDK where the broken piece went on that gun...but if I were to have that happen with this optic, that broken bit is now inside the gun, which I think would be worse. Or maybe all the gunk from grease and firing the gun packs into there and keeps things stuck until one day your optic flies off.
- DA stroke is lighter than old school P series guns, but I'd say slightly heavier and definitely grittier than the full package GGI gun, it will be interesting to see what GGI cooks up for drop in parts; SA is basically the same between the two guns; I think I still prefer the curved trigger over the less curved but not fully committing to a straight trigger shape of the X-Carry
- I swapped slides with the full size GGI P226 and X-Carry as the first thing when I got it home; the slides will fit the frames and cycle by hand, but but the X-Carry slide + GGI frame did not drop the hammer; the GGI slide + X-Carry frame seemed to work, but unlikely that I'll try running ammo thru it.
- I will say that the slide to frame fit at the back where the frame/slide merge is much more even than the old school guns - purely aesthetic
- X-Carry has the XFive bull barrel, so no swapping with standard diameter barrels - slide assemblies need to stay w/in their respective series - XFive vs Standard P series
- Thankfully, the X-Carry is perfectly happy feeding from my small mountain of MecGar P226 mags - zero problems

Overall a nice compact (relative to full size P226) package that shoots as you would expect a P226 would. Aside from the optic mounting nit above, the only other things I wish they did is offer it in basic black.

Got an X Carry SAO today finally. Love this gun so far, however, when comparing with my P229 legion, barrels and slides will NOT interchange. We’ll have to wait for Sig or Barsto to do a threaded barrel for this gun *fingers crossed*

Thanks for the range report, none of the shops near us have one to even handle. We hadn’t decided which we’d want, the sao, or da/sa yet, kind of wanted to see one in person to make the decision. Even the Sig rep that came to one shop didn’t have any samples to show. So, we’re still waiting for one to finally get in stock. The sig rep did say the da/sa trigger is better than the older versions, so we might stick with that, though we do like the straight trigger on other models.

For those wondering, the old style P226 SAO slide stop will indeed work in the newer gun. The new style one was cutting me up, so I contacted Sig. Their CS rep told me it wouldn’t work at all. I knew there was a 98% chance it would work, so I found one online, and low and behold, works with no issue.

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Originally posted by RobLew:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Shot several hundred rounds through one last weekend. The impressive thing was the DA/SA trigger out of the box. 8 lb DA/4 lb SA. Other than that it shot like any other P Series.

Some instructor once said, "the P226 is the finest combat pistol ever designed", at one of several classes I took up in Reading, PA...

I was intrigued enough to get an X-Carry in DA/SA to try. ...

Thanks for the insights. I'm curious...what did Sig do differently to the internals on this gun to improve the trigger pull, and can it be done to an older P229/P226? Also will the new dual-spring RSA and grip panels fit one of the original guns?

I don't see the need to go buy one of these any time soon (especially if the optic mounting solution has the bolts coming up through the bottom....yuck!), but it would be cool if some of the developments could be added to existing guns as minor upgrades, and for ongoing parts support as Sig phases out the older designs.

Wish they would do the P220 next, but I know that's not happening.

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Originally posted by drabfour:
Needs more serrations. Maybe put some on the optics too.

Umm... Well if you are out of bullets and have to cut down a tree...

Have the SAO version coming in today and am looking forward to getting to the range with it!

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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Originally posted by RobLew:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Shot several hundred rounds through one last weekend. The impressive thing was the DA/SA trigger out of the box. 8 lb DA/4 lb SA. Other than that it shot like any other P Series.

Some instructor once said, "the P226 is the finest combat pistol ever designed", at one of several classes I took up in Reading, PA...

I was intrigued enough to get an X-Carry in DA/SA to try. ...

Thanks for the insights. I'm curious...what did Sig do differently to the internals on this gun to improve the trigger pull, and can it be done to an older P229/P226? Also will the new dual-spring RSA and grip panels fit one of the original guns?

I don't see the need to go buy one of these any time soon (especially if the optic mounting solution has the bolts coming up through the bottom....yuck!), but it would be cool if some of the developments could be added to existing guns as minor upgrades, and for ongoing parts support as Sig phases out the older designs.

The upgrades you're thinking about for the older P series guns are what GGI offers now - the ELS trigger bar system, upgraded strut, SRT sear, springs etc. All that comes in a full GGI build, and I can attest it is niiice. I haven't taken apart guns to compare parts, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the things GGI does w/ their aftermarket parts made their way into the latest P226 from Sig. Bruce Gray could probably shed some light on that.

Forgot to add the dual RSA will most certainly NOT fit a P229 despite the same barrel length. The hole in the slide for the dual RSA is significantly bigger than the old school P226/9. Complete uppers will swap...but I can't vouch for function. And I haven't tried the grip panel swap...but if you're swapping stock panels, there are plenty of choices from Hogue.

Aaand yet another edit because I like helping people spend money (to return the favor from all the years on Sigforum), link to GGI page:
https://grayguns.com/product-tag/p226/

And link to a smoking deal on an RX slid assembly if you want/need to transition off of irons:
https://www.provenoutfitters.c...meo-x-pro-black-2961

Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to answer the questions.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Should have called it the P229 Tall. Lol.

And, why the hell does everything have to be Legion, now?

I love the legion concept as it was originally marketed. Semi custom at a production cost. But now they cheap out certain things.

My 2 gripes are the cera-crap finish and the xray sights. the regular finish and sights are better than these.

…and already stripped a grip screw that had apparently been installed by The Hulk.

Anyone found holsters that fit yet?

Or a magwell? The one from my original Legion SAO doesn't quite work.

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…and already stripped a grip screw that had apparently been installed by The Hulk.

If you really want to be scared, Sig has replacement grip screws on their webstore pictured with RED locktite. That's absurd for grip screws.

A lot of P320 holsters work for this version. ANR Designs have holsters for this version.

Since we're finally getting reviews, here's a couple of good ones:

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…and already stripped a grip screw that had apparently been installed by The Hulk.

If you really want to be scared, Sig has replacement grip screws on their webstore pictured with RED locktite. That's absurd for grip screws.

Oh yeah, it was COVERED in red loctite!

Good to know. I will check my 320 holsters for compatibility.

Are these pistols convertible between SAO and DA/SA (i.e. just one single frame type)? Also, is the locking insert just standard P226 or did they go with something new?

Pre-applied dry red loctite patches don't set up like liquid red loctite. Just use a proper sized screwdriver bit. If available I like the torx head ones best, and have those in my 226 X-Five Stainless.

As for the SigLoc optics with bottom mount screws, you can always use a regular Romeo X top mount open or closed optic instead.

SigLoc is a variation of M17 optic that uses one large screw from beneath. Military M17's have one large screw to hold the rear sight on instead of the two small screws on the commercial P320. I think it's because taking the military sight off leaves an open hole on the top of the slide that looks bad and civilians might object while military issue doesn't get a choice.

I hadn't really though about the risk of a broken screw head getting into the action but that could be a risk. I use a Proto professional torque screwdriver to install optics so I know they get the right torque. I would hope the Sigloc screws are stouter and less break prone than top mount screws.

I use a high quality, #10 torx bit and have since stripped 2 more. Either I got a bad batch of screws or they did indeed crank them down with wet red loctite at the factory.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Pre-applied dry red loctite patches don't set up like liquid red loctite. Just use a proper sized screwdriver bit. If available I like the torx head ones best, and have those in my 226 X-Five Stainless.

As for the SigLoc optics with bottom mount screws, you can always use a regular Romeo X top mount open or closed optic instead.

SigLoc is a variation of M17 optic that uses one large screw from beneath. Military M17's have one large screw to hold the rear sight on instead of the two small screws on the commercial P320. I think it's because taking the military sight off leaves an open hole on the top of the slide that looks bad and civilians might object while military issue doesn't get a choice.

I hadn't really though about the risk of a broken screw head getting into the action but that could be a risk. I use a Proto professional torque screwdriver to install optics so I know they get the right torque. I would hope the Sigloc screws are stouter and less break prone than top mount screws.

Damn that sucks. They make the screws soft to help prevent stripping the receiver.

I use Wiha bits for Torx and Hex - the best I've found. I stripped a screw on my AXG module a while back.

Not sure if heat helps with the pre-applied loctite patches, you might try a heat gun and see.

Resurrecting an old thread:

I got to handle one of these in person last week.

The trigger is indeed pretty good, and the grips feel good in the hand.

One thing that was a little disappointing from an "impression of quality" perspective was that the trigger and hammer seem to be cast parts, and have a different profile compared to the traditional P22x parts that we're used to. Seemed kind of a step backwards on a gun that costs more money than it's predecessor.

I didn't get to shoot it, but so far my take is that while I wouldn't mind having one, I also wouldn't trade any of my older P226 or P229s for one, either.