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Well there ya go! Glad it works for you, seriously.
"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." -Jeff Cooper
22 (short, long and long rifle)
# of people shot - 154
# of hits - 213
% of hits that were fatal - 34%
% actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 60%
That's it. I'm switching to .22 short/long/long rifle.
When I carried mine I loaded it with Hornady XTP.
Ammo Quest's YT channel from about 7-8 years ago said many glowing things about the XTP bullet in .380. According to him, pretty much any company that used the Hornady XTP hollow point for their defensive .380 load had chosen the best hollow point to complement the power of the .380 caliber. That was of course a few years ago, so there may be better projectiles available today.
Frankly if I were to put faith in the .380 caliber, the P232 (or P230) would not be my personal choice of firearm. I dislike the relatively harsh recoil of both of those blowback SIGs; they compromise my ability for quick and accurate follow-up shots, something I ironically have relatively little problem with with the nasty ol' .40 in my EDC G23. However the soft shooting P238, Shield EZ .380 and G42...any of those (or better yet a P365 .380) would be my choice in a .380 only world. Give me a JMB-inspired locking lug any day.
The relative ineffectiveness of 9mm in that study data in the link was a bit surprising, at least until I read some of the data parameters the author used in filtering his case data. The study author did say that he look at actual battle data as well as criminal-based shootings. So I guess insurgents amped up on methamphetamines and screaming "ALLAH ACKBAR" at the top of their lungs does indeed make them more difficult to eliminate off the battlefield.
It's clear the designers of those blowback guns never envisioned the amount of shooting some people do with their handguns today.
The other thread on finding a beautiful PPK/S brought this back up to me. My parents gifted me a beautiful stainless PPK/S back in 1992. I will never give that gun away unless its to one of my kids. That being said, it's kind of a shitty gun using any metric other than sentiment. The DA pull makes a 22 revolver pull seem light. It is atrocious. It also isn't the most reliable gun. It also kicks way more than the caliber and weight would suggest.
These guns are much better as 32's. That is why I bought a 32 barrel for my Beretta 85.
A retired and grizzled Chicago Police Instructor who was doing some work for S&W told me when I asked him about the PPK...he said...." ahhhh....the PPK...the gun that everybody owns but nobody shoots. Get yourself a J Frame kid."
That was a long time ago but the guy was way more right than wrong.
Oh, man, beauty and the beast!
No offense meant. The LC9s is a very capable pistol, but the one thing it ain't is pretty. (JMO, YMMV, etc.)
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The P232 is actually my preferred carry piece, utilizing “The Original Brave Response Holster”. When combined, the slim design of the P232 (with Hogue’s slip resistant overmolded rubber grip) and the aforementioned durable yet secure fabric holster are a beautifully comfortable setup even when using the extra two magazine slots on your offhand side during a three-hour movie at the theater or ten-hour drive. Also, I shoot left handed. All features on the P232 can be operated left handed (obviously except for the mag release), if your hands are the right size.
I have always carried chambered (and decocked (love the decocking function)) even with the soft, pliable fabric holster. Due to its DA/SA operation, it is designed to be a “discreet carry” piece, foregoing the need for a molded Kydex holster, such as with the Glocks to avoid easier accidental discharge in soft fabric or worn-leather holsters placing minimal pressure on the short trigger pull.
Here’s a quick read I found at the NRA Museum website from American Rifleman issue Nov-Dec 1998:
As for the little .380’s stopping power. . . train and hit what you’re supposed to. That little P232 has never failed to fire once. The only issue I have ever had is the widely-known Take Down Lever malfunction. . . WHICH, I actually plan to divot drill and weld the shaft and lever to eliminate the issue. If I remember to, and I’m successful, I’ll document the “repair” and post the results.
I love this little pistol and was disheartened when the Take Down Lever malfunction finally reared its ugly head and discovered the common occurrence, result in people giving up on it all together.
1. Brave Response Holster:
2. Hogue Soft OverMolded Rubber Grip:
I’d love to hear any feedback. I’ll also share any results of my Take Down Lever “repair” on the appropriate thread.
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I'd argue the that with it's 'Heel Release' design, the P232 is ambidextrous and doesn't discriminate based on the strong hand of the shooter in any way...But you DO need two hands!
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I completely agree. The mag release is the one downside that I wish they would change and start production again.
While I never did, one of my closest friends who wasn't much into guns bought a P232 Nightmare that was a GOTM back in the 2002-2005 period when that was a thing on the forum.
That's what his carry piece was up until maybe 2018 and he moved to Colorado he changed to a P220 (he lives in the western part where its rural).
But if he was in a city I'd bet he'd still go back to his P232 and unlike a lot of "gun people", regular people don't always pick the meta carry guns of the moment.
++ I'd wager the old adage my grandpa told me beware a guy with 1 gun because he might actually know how to use it.
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