I still have the 10mm but that just gets range time.

I mainly carry the DWX Compact since it’s very ergonomical for me with a fantastic trigger. I can keep all 15 rounds in a pie plate at 10 yards about as fast as I can shoot it.

However, it’s heavy, and I don’t always dress for it.

I’d like a lightweight 9mm, 10-12 rounds. Non striker fired. The DWX is about 31 ounces unloaded. I’d like to get to 21~ ounces.

Does that exist?

FN Reflex

21 oz and hammer fired is a tough ask.

HK P30sk is like 24
CZ P01 is like 28
Walther P99c is long out of production but is 21 oz and while not hammered fired is DA/SA. Canik might make an analog but I’m not sure.
FN. Reflex is internal hammer fired/single action and around. 19oz but if you are shying away from strikers I’m not sure a single action internal hammer is any better. (Not throwing shade on the design just thinking about it from the mental aspect)

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
If you ever get a chance to shoot a Beretta PX4 compact carry, you might like it.

They are GREAT guns but even the sub compact is a chunky 25-26 oz. The compact is closer to 28.

Since you are good with the 1911 manual of arms with the DWX you might want to look at the Springfield EMP. I am not personally familiar with it but it should be around your ballpark weight I think like 23 oz.

Kimber might have something in this vein.

How about an out of left field suggestion a J-Frame sized revolver. Hell you can get a plastic Ruger or a Scandium Smith that weighs damn near nothing. They are super fun to shoot. I know you can get the Ruger in 9mm. Not sure if Smith still offers anything.

I know non of these meet the capacity requirements.

FN's website says the FNX-9 weighs 21.9oz: LINK

Ruger Security 9 crossed my mind, but they are internal hammers and pushing 24 oz.

It doesn't quite get you to 21oz, but if I was not so heavily invested in the Sig ecosystem I'd be looking at the CZ P09/P09C/P07 right now. My son has a P09 and that thing is absolutely awesome.

Modern polymer-framed pistol with a hammer and decocker, lighter than the CZ75 family with the same reliability. Very soft recoil impulse and low bore axis, and the older ones like his are easily cut for an optic, while the newer Nocturne series come optic-ready out of the box. The trigger is pretty good from the factory, but an hour with some 1500 grit and a $30 McCarbo kit makes it absolutely superb.

And best of all they're cheap...about $500. IMO it's definitely one of the best values out there right now, and probably outperforms guns that cost twice as much.

I like the Beretta PX4, too, but it's just a little chunky, has some really bad grip texture, and the rotating barrel is no bueno for suppressors. The trigger on my son's CZ is better than my PX4's ever was, even after the LTT trigger bar, and for all the hype about the rotating barrel the P09 shoots softer.

CZ P-09 C Nocturne is 26.1oz. P-07 is 27.7oz.

HK P30SK is 24oz. Same for P2000SK.

I think the closest to what you describe is the S&W CSX original or E-Series. It's SAO like your DWX. The E-Series weighs 19.7oz.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/p...sx-e-series-3-1-inch

The mechanics of internal hammer-fired guns such as FN Reflex, Ruger LC9 & Security 9 may work differently but functionally feel the same as striker guns.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
FN's website says the FNX-9 weighs 21.9oz: LINK

That’s gotta be wrong. That big ass duty gun is only 21oz????? I mean maybe it is. I’ve handled them and they don’t feel that light.

SW Equalizer is internal hammer fired, 22.5 oz, can be had with a thumb safety and has a grip safety, unlike the reflex.
Better build and better service than FN.

I actually like it more than I thought I would esp with the 13rd mag.
Soft shooter, good trigger and much thinner compared to the PX4, P2000 or CZ, Great grip texture.
I can thumb the back of the slide while reholstering to remove my web of the hand from the grip and let the grip safety do it’s thing disabling the trigger. Cut for optic. Stock sights could be better.

I had the slide lock/release spring pop out of the Reflex while wiping down the Magwell. So be careful of that.
Not an easy fix, no vids on full lower disassembly etc.
Gun shot nice and soft, the XL looks nice but until the slide release lever is fixed, I won’t buy another Reflex.

I like the CZ P07 but the takedown lever was too large and caused pain on my support hand thumb while shooting.
The newer one has a reduced takedown lever, but haven’t tried it.

If you got the cash, the P2000 is a great choice and check the LEM Trigger instead of the V3 DA/SA.
Thumb the bobbed trigger while holstering for tactile indication of potential problems. Grip is not aggressive enough for me, same for the PX4.

Lastly, I know you said you prefer a non-striker fired, but not all striker fired hand guns are the same. If you never shot a GlockG43x or G48, try one. It’s my go to and solid/safe striker pistol.

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Originally posted by iron chef:
I think the closest to what you describe is the S&W CSX

https://www.smith-wesson.com/p...sx-e-series-3-1-inch

Agreed.

Just under 20 oz.
12 round magazines (with 15/17 round mags with grip extenders available too)
Hammer-fired (with an exposed hammer)
Manual safety

It's kinda like the lovechild of a 2011 and a M&P Subcompact, so it has a similar manual of arms to your DWX.

If you can live with 7+1 capacity, a Sig P938. Micro 1911, 16 oz.

I just purchased an FN Reflex XL and it’s fantastic. 20 oz, 15 rounds in a flush fit mag, 1.08” wide, 3.8” barrel and carries very small. Internal hammer with a very nice trigger, reset is not super short but unless your shooting it back to back with a 1911 it’s a non issue. Quality and fit is better than the P365XL I had. So far I am impressed.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by iron chef:
I think the closest to what you describe is the S&W CSX

https://www.smith-wesson.com/p...sx-e-series-3-1-inch

Agreed.

Just under 20 oz.
12 round magazines (with 15/17 round mags with grip extenders available too)
Hammer-fired (with an exposed hammer)
Manual safety

It's kinda like the lovechild of a 2011 and a M&P Subcompact, so it has a similar manual of arms to your DWX.

I’m liking this in theory. I’ll see if I can find one locally to put my hands on. See if it works well in practice also.

Thank you, gentlemen!

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Originally posted by oddball:

If you can live with 7+1 capacity, a Sig P938. Micro 1911, 16 oz.

Yup, what I carry when I'm not carrying the P245. (Funny thing, I just realized that both of my carry choices have been "touched" by Robert Burke.)

I’m down to the CSX or S&W 442 in 38 special. Two different animals I know.

Very different. I'd take a 12 round 9mm semiauto over a 5 round .38 revolver all day, any day.

Yeah, some people love J-frames, mainly out of familiarity or nostalgia. But realistically, they're a relic of a bygone era, and have been surpassed in every way by the latest generations of micro 9mms.

I carried a S&W 642 (the stainless brother to the 442) for several years as my duty BUG and occasional summertime off duty carry gun, and man... I hated that thing. The grip was too small and the grip required was quite different from the semiautos I was mostly used to, the sights were tiny and the sight picture was crap, the trigger pull was long and heavy at 15+ pounds, the capacity sucked, the caliber was marginal, recoil was noticeably obnoxious, reloads were slow and low capacity themselves, etc. etc. etc. I ditched it for a Kahr PM9 after a few years, and while that particular gun had some drawbacks of its own, even it was a massive improvement beyond the J-frame. (There was a dearth of true subcompact 9mms at the time, so picking were slim and it was the best option for the time being. I later replaced that with a Sig P365.)

Nowadays, there's been a flood of subcompact and microcompact 9mms over the past 10+ years, so there are tons of good options out there.

A 9mm semiauto will have a better grip, better sights, better trigger, better capacity plus the ability to quickly reload with an even larger capacity spare mag, a more potent caliber with wider defensive loadings available, less recoil/faster follow-up shots, a manual of arms that's like all your other semiautos, and more.

And even when it comes to pocket carry specifically (if that's what has you looking at the 442), while the CSX may be bordering on too chunky to be viable in that particular role for some people, there are plenty of other smaller single stack micro 9mms out there that are just as small and as thin/thinner than the S&W J-frames like the 442. Sure, you lose some capacity with those single stack micro 9mms, but it's still a little more than the 442, and they still retain all of the other benefits over the 442 as well.

For example, the aforementioned P938 is a single stack 9mm with 1911-style manual of arms that is smaller and thinner than the 442 while only weighing 1 more oz.

Yeah, I’m with you 100% on the grips, most j frame sights do suck.

I’m hopeful the little CSX can provide a decent grip with one of the extended mags.

I don’t know why I’m so opposed to striker fired. I didn’t not trust the P320s. More just tired of the BS surrounding them and Sigs response. Rubbed me the wrong way. Enough to get rid of 3 guns I never shot anymore and served no purpose to keep.

I’ve always liked the M&P ergonomics so I might look at them a bit too.

I want to like the 365, but it’s just too dang narrow for my hand.

Didn’t Springfield make a hammer gun a few years back?

I’d get a p2000 or p2000sk and live with the few extra ounces. EMP is nice but its kinds spends and low cap.