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Originally posted by OttoSig:
I want to like the 365, but it’s just too dang narrow for my hand.

Then you definitely don't want a P938.

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Originally posted by ruger357:
Didn’t Springfield make a hammer gun a few years back?

You're probably thinking of the XD-E, Springfield's swing-and-a-miss flop that was discontinued after only 3 years.

Which wasn't really surprising. It was reportedly decent, but not great. And an overly chunky subcompact external hammer-fired DA/SA with a safety/decocker simply wasn't what the US handgun market in general was looking for in the late 2010s.

(Though it does have the tacticool Grip Zone, so... )

I’m a firm believer in carrying a fighting firearm for concealed carry that can take full size magazines for a spare magazine. March to November I carry a PX4 storm sub. It’s heavier than your weight requirements but carries extremely well with a Stealth Gear mesh holster that spreads the weight out like a VMII but it breathes unlike any other holster for our hot and humid summers down south. Winter time I switch to a P30sk due to the larger trigger guard for glove use as I wear gloves in the winter. Trigger for trigger, stock, the Beretta trigger is superior. Both worked over (Burke on both) the PX4 is like a well tuned up Sig P series DA/SA trigger, it’s magnificent. And the HK, is much better worked over, about as good as the PX4 stock. Both excellent. Beretta makes an OEM sleeve for a full size magazine, for the sub, for a full sized grip. And HK makes similar for an extended magazine for the SK. I carry the SK with the finger extension (stock round count) magazine they come with and then the larger SK magazine for the spare (15rd) but HK makes 12 and 15 round OEM magazines for it now. I’m a DA/SA trigger snob and if the HK triggers were a little bit better (once worked over) I’d be all HK all the time. But that Beretta trigger is so sweet. On all my PX4’s, Robert Burke did them all and they are Sphinx like.

If you want even smaller, my Chiappa Rhino 20DS is outstanding. Due to the barrel being on the bottom, instead of the top, 357 shoots like 38 out of it. And 38 +P (my carry loads) shoots like a .22, literally. It’s amazing revolver. Being a 2” and it shoots like a full size. It’s incredible, but they are expensive. It’s brick shit house reliable too. My range, they call it the tank. It’s the most reliable rental they have and that includes all the strikers, DA/SA full sizes, etc.

Bass pro has a used P365 w/ 3 mags for $255! Maybe I should learn to like it lol.

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Originally posted by cslinger:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
FN's website says the FNX-9 weighs 21.9oz: LINK

That’s gotta be wrong. That big ass duty gun is only 21oz????? I mean maybe it is. I’ve handled them and they don’t feel that light.

I believe you’re correct.

According to FN, the FNS-40 is within a 1/10 of an ounce of the FNX-40. If the same holds true with the FNS-9 and FNX-9, then the FNX-9 should be a little over 25 oz. Maybe the 21.9 was without the magazine.

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Yeah, some people love J-frames, mainly out of familiarity or nostalgia. But realistically, they're a relic of a bygone era, and have been surpassed in every way by the latest generations of micro 9mms.

I mostly agree with this, however I think there's still a use-case beyond nostalgia for them.

Put me on a line or in a USPSA match against somebody with a micro-nine and I absolutely agree that I won't be able to keep up, especially if reloads are involved. With the improved sights of my 640 Pro and 642 UC I can reliably make hits out to 25 yards and beyond if I have to, but he speed and firepower just isn't there.

However, as an up-close and entangled fighting tool, or something to carry in non-traditional locations, they still offer some advantages.

I have a personal aversion to sticking an SAO or pre-cocked striker gun in my pocket, or really anywhere else that it's pointed at critical bits of my body. And no, it doesn't make a difference to me if it's equipped with a manual safety or not. I'm just unwilling to do that. And the concern goes up even more when I consider that I might have to access it quickly under pressure. A long, heavy DAO pull is advantageous in those types of situations, plus you have the added benefit of no slide to push out of battery and no dependence on inertia to keep the gun cycling.

I definitely wouldn't recommend a J-Frame for the OP's use-case as a one-to-one replacement for a P320, but as a niche deep concealment option as part of a larger system, they can still be very viable.

To get back on topic. - I had forgotten about the CSX. I agree with the others...for what Otto is looking for it could be a perfect fit. My buddy has one, and I found it to be a very convenient size and it shot very nicely. A little bit bigger than a P365, but for me that was a good thing since those are too small for my hands. The only reason I don't have one is that it's SAO...if it was DA/SA or DAO I'd have one by now.

I think this maybe the best if not one of the best wonder nines on the market today:

https://www.smith-wesson.com/p...ield-plus-carry-comp

However if you must have a hammer or manual safety the new version CSX looks promising.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
I have a personal aversion to sticking an SAO or pre-cocked striker gun in my pocket, or really anywhere else that it's pointed at critical bits of my body. And no, it doesn't make a difference to me if it's equipped with a manual safety or not. I'm just unwilling to do that. And the concern goes up even more when I consider that I might have to access it quickly under pressure. A long, heavy DAO pull is advantageous in those types of situations

There are pocketable DA 9mms or non-fully-cocked-striker 9mms.

For example, the Kahr PM9 I mentioned before has a long DAO-style trigger pull, and its striker is only marginally precocked (not enough to ignite a primer if all the internal safeties were to fail fail).

In fact, that's true of many striker fired guns. The P320's fully cocked striker is an anomaly, not the norm. The XD is the only other one that comes readily to mind, though I'm sure there are more.

$275 OTD with 3 mags and NS. Couldn’t pass at that price. If I decide it’s not working I can make 20$ on it easily.



I still wanna get my hands on a CSX before purchasing. See how the ambi safety feels. Read some folks get pinched by it routinely.

Nice! Optic ready, too. Can't argue with that price. If it works for you you got a steal, and if you decide you don't like it you'll easily get your money back.

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In fact, that's true of many striker fired guns. The P320's fully cocked striker is an anomaly, not the norm. The XD is the only other one that comes readily to mind, though I'm sure there are more.

Actually, most of them are cocked enough to set of a primer. I've been doing my research lately trying to find one that's not, and there isn't much out there. The Kahr is debatable and I've seen claims both ways on that one but I don't have one handy to test for myself. The P365, M&P, most Walthers, Caniks, VP9, and CZ P10 are also fully-cocked, and even the Glock stores enough energy to set off a primer ( https://youtu.be/DBCGdxmILDY?si=RCHfGyl-VVKEm8So).

I'm not saying that a pre-cocked striker necessarily makes a gun unsafe...but for certain applications I want a design that avoids the issue altogether.

I've not kept up with the new micro hammer-fired offerings. It may exist but my first thought was Beretta Compact (LTT?) or CZ Compact. Both violate the weight requirements but that's more a consideration of the belt/holster imo. If I feel the need to carry a "fight pistol" my SP2022 is even lighter and still disappears on my waist. I wish the CZ RAMI was still around, it was a chunk but the Compact, although heavier, is still thinner.

That’s what I figure too. I’ll keep it 3.1” going bigger I approach the weight and size of the DWX. It’s really thin and concealable, just not in short and tshirt unless it’s a big tshirt.

Good deal.

If you want just a smidge longer grip to get your whole hand on it, and you won't be pocket carrying it, you can swap in a XL grip onto your non-XL P365 slide and FCU. You'll end up with a flush fit 12 round magazine, without the need of a spacer. And for me, that's the perfect length to get a whole grip.

I recommend the Wilson Combat XL grip over the factory one. It adds just a little rounded palm swell girth, which I prefer to the more boxy factory grip. It also has an ever so slightly longer beavertail, which my big monkey paws appreciate.

https://wilsoncombat.com/grip-module-wcp365-xl.html

Rogue,

I think you’ve done so with the photo, but can you confirm the Wilson XL module is 3.1” slide compatible with a longer grip frame that only accepts 12 round or larger?

This one came with 2 10 rd mags and a 17 rd.

But I can buy more 12 rd+ mags.

Correct. The standard 3.1" P365 slide sits flush with the front of the XL grip, and the XL grip uses 12 round flush fit mags, and larger 15/17 rounders with grip spacers. (It cannot accept 10 round standard P365 mags, as they're too short.)

Sig even sells it in this configuration - P365 slide on P365XL grip - as the P365X.

I have the Wilson Combat grip modules on my 365 and 365XL.It does box out the old 10 round mags, but gives you the 12, 15 and 17 round mag capacity. The grips feel much more ergonomic than the standard Sig grips. Well worth the money.

I just realized Kimber released a new model that meets your criteria: SAO, external hammer, all-metal, 1.1" wide, 20.8 oz. It's called the CDS9 (Covert Double Stack).

https://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/cds9

Jesus I don’t even want a P365 and I would have bought that!!!

FWIW, I like you, prefer a hammer fired setup. I just like being able to ride the hammer home. That said most striker fired guns are perfectly safe and have proven track record. You just need to look at the holster system as part of the safety system. Rigid holsters designed for the gun. Also fast out …… slow and methodical back in.

Would I buy a 320? Hell no. Would I buy a Glock? Yeah I have and do carry them. I’ve also carried other strikers throughout the years from Walther to Springfield to HK and never had an issue or a problem beyond the mental one of wanting to ride that “hammer” home.

Point is there are lots of striker fired guns out there sold and carried everyday that never have an issue. They are just like any other tool. You need to understand there own personal pros/cons/safety concerns and work within that envelope, just like any gun of any action.

At the end of the day carrying a firearm of any kind is inherently kind of dangerous and we all need to respect that.

I still far prefer my DA/SA hammer fired guns though so…….GET OFF MY LAWN!!! .

One other thought comes to mind there are strikers that have safeties like the P365 or the Shield Plus. You could always run a Shield Plus with its unobtrusive safety and use the safety for holstering and disengage it once holstered so you always draw hot. Just a thought.

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Originally posted by iron chef:
I just realized Kimber released a new model that meets your criteria: SAO, external hammer, all-metal, 1.1" wide, 20.8 oz. It's called the CDS9 (Covert Double Stack).

https://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/cds9

Looks to be Kimber's entrance in the DWX Compact/EDC X9-style "compact double stack metal-framed 1911-ish-but-modernized carry gun" market.

And it's about half the price of its competitors.

But with Kimber's track record, I certainly wouldn't want to be an early adopter.

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But with Kimber's track record, I certainly wouldn't want to be an early adopter.

While I am right there with you, it seems like they really righted the ship after they ditched Cohen.