That was quite a read. The amount of lunacy in that post was outstanding. Take apart the RSA so you can polish the guide rod. Yea, sure. What the fuck is a “stripper rail”? In my younger days I think I might have known but on a 365 I’m a bit stumped. 365’s are known for return to battery malfunctions? Since when. I don’t even know how to address the fact that you manually inserted a round into the chamber 1800 times to test the extractor and avoid setback. Wtaf? Are you fucking with us and forgot the sarcasm emoticon?

^^^^ People try to be clever and mess with stuff unnecessarily, or manipulate the gun in a not so normal way, and they wonder "WTF is wrong with this POS". Lol.

Plus I looked up makershot loader. It’s basically that cheap plastic loader that comes with glocks and cz’s. Yeesh.

Interesting side note. The Beretta 92 is the only gun I’ve ever seen where the owners manual actually says/used to say it was perfectly ok to chamber a round and then drop the slide on it. Never seen anybody else ever say this in writing.

I have bought very few new guns in my life. It was usually a financial situation, but not always. I think I can count less than 10 new guns over 60 years. As far as Sigs go, I bought 3 used ones and I won 1 several years ago from 12131. For 21 years, I earned my living selling used cars and I came to appreciate the value of used cars and firearms. All of my used Sigs have performed admirably. I can afford new, but why give money away?

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Originally posted by maxwayne:
This is the first new Sig I have ever had.

I love how the OP has been on this forum for 22 years with 5400+ posts and is just now giving in to the impulse of buying a Sig brand new!

Nothing wrong with used. Most of my used buys looked nearly new when I bought them.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: That was quite a read. The amount of lunacy in that post was outstanding. Take apart the RSA so you can polish the guide rod. Yea, sure.

And you would prefer to have a rough guide rod grinding against the recoil spring instead of a polished guide rod because?

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Originally posted by pedropcola: What the fuck is a “stripper rail”?

Stripper rail, stripper bump, stripper ramp, call it what you like as people have different names for it. It the raised rail on the underside of the slide that slides over the cartridges when the slide is retracted, then when the slide moves forward the ramp/bump strips a cartridge out of the magazine and pushes it into the firing chamber.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: 365’s are known for return to battery malfunctions? Since when.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:I don’t even know how to address the fact that you manually inserted a round into the chamber 1800 times to test the extractor and avoid setback. Wtaf? Are you fucking with us and forgot the sarcasm emoticon?

The US military taught soldiers how to manually chamber a round just in case they had a failure to feed problem with their 1911's. While manually chambering is not recommended on a 1911, if you have a military grade extractor you can get by doing it in an emergency.

The pivoting external extractor of the P365 series pistols is conducive to manually chambering the pistol. For my own peace of mind I tested the P365 extractor in a worst case condition to find out if it was indeed safe to manually chamber a P365 that way. And it appears to be safe. If you choose to remain ignorant about he capabilities of your firearms, that is your business. I prefer to do as much of my own testing as possible.

Avoiding bullet setback is just one of the perks of manually chambering the 1st round. What is more important is knowing how to manually chamber a round if you have a failure to feed malfunction in a self defense situation. If you can't safely manually chamber your pistol it is not the best choice for self defense.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: Plus I looked up makershot loader. It’s basically that cheap plastic loader that comes with glocks and cz’s. Yeesh.

It's $15, it is easy to use, takes up very little space, it's actually an extremely strong piece of plastic, and it gets the job done. So what is your issue with it?

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Originally posted by pedropcola: Interesting side note. The Beretta 92 is the only gun I’ve ever seen where the owners manual actually says/used to say it was perfectly ok to chamber a round and then drop the slide on it. Never seen anybody else ever say this in writing.

And you haven't heard me recommending dropping the slide onto the cartridge either. I said EASE the slide closed. But I did drop the slide onto the cartridge 1,830 times without any visible damage to the extractor. An extractor is only $10, so it's no big deal to use an extractor for a potentially destructive test. I have yet to find anyone claim that they have broken an extractor manually chambering a P365. In fact I have seen very few reports of damaged extractors and in those reports the extractors had a very high round count or they were using steel shellcases that got stuck and the extractor broke.

If you look at where the shellcase contacts the extractor it is further inward where the extractor is stronger. I'd give odds that the extractor claw will break from normal extraction long before it breaks from manually chambering a cartridge.

I ran a few hundred rounds through mine before I put it into carry use. That was more for my confidence in the platform than any issues with the pistol.

I think I had one FTE in the life of the pistol and it was on me. I practice shooting left handed (weak side for me) regularly. I caused the FTE. Didn’t have a tight enough grip.

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Dude. Did you even read your posted links? Half of the “return to battery” issues were while hand cycling. Like doing a press check nonsense. That’s not a malfunction. That is an idiot behind the wheel. The others clearly were either brand new shooters, or first couple mags. Who gives a shit if the gun bobbles in the first couple mags?

Everything you posted, everything was useless nonsense that would have been accomplished by just shooting your gun. Yes, polishing the guide rod on a captured rod is STUPID. You wasted your time. Sorry you don’t want to hear that. There is no such thing as a stripper rail.

The military has said and done lots of stupid things over the years. You being told that that is ok with a 1911 is not even close to being told it’s a good idea. It’s a horrible idea on a 1911. Ask any 1911 guy. Can you do it? Yes. Should you? No.

You can get that loader for free from almost anyone who tosses them away as trash from a new gun purchase. Send me your address I will send you a shoe box full of them. Just kidding I already threw them away. That loader is a POS compared to a MAGLULA. Spend the extra 15 bucks who cares if it fits in a certain pistol box, get a range bag for fucks sake.

Bullet setback is not something you need to worry about. This is one of those Internet things that grew wings and now you are terrified of overpressure on a 9mm round that kabooms. Not going to happen.

Nobody calls the bottom of the slide a stripper rail on a pistol. Nobody. If they do then ignore them.

Dropping the slide on a chambered round isn’t a good idea. Like I said earlier the Beretta 92 is the only handgun manufacturer I have ever seen saying it’s ok in writing. It’s just common sense. It’s a claw, that is what an extractor is. It’s designed to function in one manner. Doing what you describe, while it probably won’t break a modern hardened steel part, is putting stress in a vector that the part wasn’t designed to do. And why are you doing it? Because you were taught the military taught soldiers, sailors, and Marines to do it with a 1911 in the event of feed malfunctions. That whole train of thought was painful to type out it was so stupid.

Not saying you can’t do it but there isn’t a good reason to do it either. You stress tested a part for a nonsensical reason. Single loading rounds into a semi is one of those “why” moments. You seemed to think doing it 1829 more times was a valid something. It wasn’t it’s not. It’s crazy.

Most of those threads you posted were ignorant shooters responding to even more ignorant shooters. Nobody is responding to your comments because they are being polite. I’m not that polite.

I read some more of your posted links. The last one says he used Sig ammo and kept getting rtb failures. Tried it in a Glock, guess what? Return to battery failure. These links are morons doing moronic things or coming to moronic conclusions.

Every time I read a new one it is even dumber. The second to last one the issue as acknowledged by the poster after someone points it out, is that he is riding the slide with his thumb. He is literally causing his own malfunction through poor technique. Doing what he did will cause ANY gun to malfunction. Just for grins he was also greasing everything and I mean everything. It’s a fucking comical read.

Watch that idiot lady Kelly on her phone call with Sig CS. First off recording someone is rude if not illegal. Secondly, she feels she got horrible CS. It didn’t sound horrible. She sounded like an inexperienced shooter who very poorly described her “issue” and they suggested shooting it more with higher pressure ammo. Oh the horror. Her husband complains about slide lock WHILE ADMITTING HE IS RIDING THE SLIDE RELEASE. It’s crazy. You are doing this and complaining about it.

You seem to be missing some cueing from those threads. The common thread in all of them is new inexperienced shooters causing issues or not recognizing easy fixes. Don’t grease your barrel and keep all that shit away from the striker channel. That forum is a hot mess.

If the same ammo does the same thing in an Sig and and a Glock, it’s the ammo. Or, and this is more likely, this guy is hand cycling ammo but writing it up like it’s happening while shooting. Guys do this all the time. They hand cycle their gun with live ammo thinking it is a good indication of reliability. It isn’t. At all. What is a good indication of reliability is shooting your gun with live ammo and seeing if it’s reliable.

You should stay off that forum, those are some ridiculous threads.

I would also point out that most of those posts you linked are from 2018, 5 years ago. The gun you bought yesterday is not the beta tested original model which admittedly Sig could and should have done better with.

AllenBundy old buddy! I see you are up to the same crap that eventually led to you being banned on another gun forum. Quit peddling misinformation.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Nobody is responding to your comments because they are being polite. I’m not that polite.

You are not wrong.

Is smh a polite gesture?

I always forget the name of the feed rail for some reason. Mental block I guess and I am always describing it. From now on it is burned into my head as a “stripper rail” which makes perfect sense as it strips rounds but the image in my head is totally different and frankly may overcome my mental block on remembering this part.

Reminds me of the time I was in a dirty/dingy strip club in NY and there was a bottle of disinfectant at the base of the stripper pole. I guess it could've been CLP? I was kinda drunk.

Well if your stripper rail is so rough it’s removing material then you need a new strip club.

And I thought it was just bad dermatitis on the inside of their thighs or chaffing.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: Like doing a press check nonsense. That’s not a malfunction.

Sure it is. If I pulled the slide out of battery with a round in the firing chamber on my P365 it would NOT return to battery on it's own. If I eased the slide closed it would NOT fully return to battery. After I polished the breechface, left adjacent wall to the breechface, and the underside of the extractor claw you cannot prevent the slide from returning to battery no matter how slowly you try to ease the slide closed. And that reduces the possibility of a return to battery malfunction under adverse conditions.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: Yes, polishing the guide rod on a captured rod is STUPID. You wasted your time.

Polishing the guide rod reduces resistance and further reduces the possibility of a return to battery malfunction. It's quieter when I rack the slide. Polishing also removes metal particles that would normally be worn off and contaminate the lube.

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Everything you posted, everything was useless nonsense that would have been accomplished by just shooting your gun.

After how many thousands of rounds? If you have faith that just firing your P365 will polish the parts to optimum performance that is your business. I don't need to wonder how many thousands of rounds I'd need to fire before my pistol is operating in peak condition. I've polished the parts and I KNOW that my P365 is operating the best that it possibly can right NOW, and not a couple or ten thousand rounds from now.

Even after break-in, polishing the trigger linkage bar makes the trigger pull even more smoothly. I've measured the difference in resistance before and after polishing parts and I know my P365 is performing better.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: There is no such thing as a stripper rail................. Nobody calls the bottom of the slide a stripper rail on a pistol. Nobody.

Sure they do. I didn't make up the name. I've seen all of the following terms used to describe the same part:

Stripper Rail
Stripper Bump
Stripper Ramp
Stripping Block
Feed Rail
Feed Ramp
A bump on the rail can also be referred to as a "pick".

In a 1911 it is also called a Disconnector Rail or Disconnector Ramp. But that is because there is a slot cut into the rail that also operates the disconnector. That same rail also strips cartridges from the magazine and feeds them into the firing chamber.

Have you got a better name for the part?

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Originally posted by pedropcola: The military has said and done lots of stupid things over the years. You being told that that is ok with a 1911 is not even close to being told it’s a good idea. It’s a horrible idea on a 1911. Ask any 1911 guy. Can you do it? Yes. Should you. No.................

If you have a failure to feed malfunction, manual chambering may be your only option in a self defense situation. Chambering and firing 1 round at a time is better than no rounds being fired.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: Dropping the slide on a chambered round isn’t a good idea. Like I said earlier the Beretta 92 is the only handgun manufacturer I have ever seen saying it’s ok in writing. It’s just common sense. It’s a claw, that is what an extractor is. It’s designed to function in one manner. Doing what you describe, while it probably won’t break a modern hardened steel part, is putting stress in a vector that the part wasn’t designed to do. And why are you doing it? Because you were taught the military taught soldiers, sailors, and Marines to do it with a 1911 in the event of feed malfunctions. That whole train of thought was painful to type out it was so stupid. Not saying you can’t do it but there isn’t a good reason to do it either. You stress tested a part for a nonsensical reason. Single loading rounds into a semi is one of those “why” moments. You seemed to think doing it 1829 more times was a valid something. It wasn’t it’s not. It’s crazy.

Are you having a reading comprehension problem? What I stated was:

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Originally posted by AllenBundy: While manually chambering is not recommended on a 1911, if you have a military grade extractor you can get by doing it in an emergency.

Dropping a round in the combustion chamber, easing the slide closed and then pressing the rear of a P365 extractor inward so that the extractor claw pivots outward far enough for the shell case rim to pass underneath is NOT going to stress the extractor. There is no impact!

I don't give a rat's behind that Sig does not recommend the practice. I've done the testing that indicates that allowing the slide to slam closed over the cartridge rim is not likely to cause extractor damage before the extractor wears out from normal extraction. But I don't recommend allowing the slide to slam closed. There is no need when you can ease the slide closed and press the rear of the extractor inward to chamber the first round.

Also note that the external style pivoting spring loaded extractor that Sig uses is basically a latch design that has been in use for over 100 years. It's a simple and reliable design.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: Bullet setback is not something you need to worry about. This is one of those Internet things that grew wings and now you are terrified of overpressure on a 9mm round that kabooms. Not going to happen.

Like I'm going to take your word for it? Even if the overpressure does not cause any parts damage it can result in an non-uniform point of impact.

Manually chambering is also easier than messing around with chambering the first round from the magazine, removing the magazine and then topping off the magazine and reinserting it.

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Originally posted by pedropcola: You can get that loader for free from almost anyone who tosses them away as trash from a new gun purchase. Send me your address I will send you a shoe box full of them. Just kidding I already threw them away. That loader is a POS compared to a MAGLULA. Spend the extra 15 bucks who cares if it fits in a certain pistol box, get a range bag for fucks sake.

How do you know the Makershot loader is a POS? Have you actually used that brand? There are loaders of that style that are a piece of crap. But the Makershot loader works well. And I care that the Makershot loader is smaller because it DOES fit into my lockboxes. I keep one Makershot loader in each of my pistol lockboxes and another in my magazine lockbox. If I lose one of the Makershot loaders I still have two more. My lockboxes fit neatly into my range bag.

Dude, you are insane.

Makershot is a plastic funnel with a molded bump out to push the follower down. It is an expensive version of the free loaders that come with most guns nowadays. And yes, they suck. Unless they imbue some magic dust in their plastic they suck the exact same as the free versions.

Ok, bullet setback is a huge issue. It isn't but if it bothers you knock yourself out. Just fyi though, you can accomplish the same thing by just hand cycling a round in slowly. No dropping the slide on the chambered round nonsense.

Your testing means absolutely dick. You are quoting some pseudo army 1911 bullshit as fact, your logic is already flawed. I love the use of your term "military grade extractor". You do realize how idiotic that sounds right?

I think you are going on ignore now so feel free to rant away crazily. Good fucking grief.

Nighty night sweet prince.

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Dude, you are insane.

Agreed.

Also in regards to the RTB issue, I have and early P365 (3 digit s/n) and it had the RTB issue.

Let me tell you, nothing fixed it except returning it to Sig, they replaced the barrel and rsa and what do you know it works now. 5000+ rounds with zero malfunctions.

Also the Makershot is garbage compared to an Uplula