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Originally posted by sigfreund:
My local shop says $879 MSRP with 120 days "fulfillment."

120 days? Dang. That's a disappointment. Hopefully Sig can exceed that expectation.

The seemingly hard part of making 10mm handguns is making one that runs well with .40S&W mouse fart loads as well as rip-roaring heavy .357mag class loads.

It is that versatility that makes this caliber attractive but it is a lot to ask of a semiauto.

Wonder if they will have a X-change kit. would think that they would be using the 9/40 for this as the difference between the 45 FCU and 9/40 FCU is the extractor and this would use the 9/40 extractor. correct me if i'm wrong

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
My local shop says $879 MSRP with 120 days "fulfillment."

That doesn't seem too bad.
IIRC, my 1G P320 was something like $650 OTD with 2 boxes of ammo (FMJ & JHP).

Phil Strader talking about the pistol here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auq0cY33b6I

Wow, so SIG has actually come through on the 10mm P320 and a new alloy gun (P210 Carry) in the same year.

We should feel blessed they've come through for our requests (now will we purchase these things)

If you go to the new X-ten page setup on their site, the features they list are telling. "All new XSeries 10mm/45Auto Grip Module" tells us that grip is setup for a 10mm/45Auto FCU right? Probably a couple of mm bigger in certain areas. I think Phil mentioned that this 10mm FCU will not fit on older frames but older FCU's will fit inside this frame. Doesn't Sig already have a 320 in 45 ACP out???? THey stop making it?????

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Are you saying that a 10mm barrel is all that’s necessary to convert a 357/40 P320 to 10mm?

My limited knowledge says yes.... might take a different recoil spring but not sure. I've seen many folks claim that the 357sig round is a necked down 40 cal but my research says it is actually a necked down 10mm cartridge.

^^ I think you might need more room in the mag, and therefore the magwell, to accommodate the 10mm.

357 Sig ≠ 9x25 Dillon.

The 10mm cartridge, including the case, is significantly longer than the 40 S&W case: ~0.992" versus 0.850". The 10mm will therefore not even fit into a 40 S&W magazine (yes, I tried, even though I knew better). The 357 SIG cartridge is indeed essentially a necked-down 40 round* whose case length is 0.865", and that’s why magazines for the two rounds have markings for both. It’s also why I have several pistols that I use with both 357 and 40 with nothing more than a barrel change. So, no, it’s not possible to convert a pistol chambered for 40 S&W to 10mm Auto by simply changing the barrel.

* It could be that it would be better to use a 10mm case to neck down to 357 SIG than a 40 case, but that does not change the fact that 357 and 40 are much closer in dimensions than either is to 10mm.

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Originally posted by TrojanX4:
Great X10 Review

I could not get past the idiotic comments about the 40 S&W.
If a reviewer wants people to listen to him about the supposed subject of the review, he should resist the urge to say ridiculous things about unrelated matters. Is that his gimmick: to be controversial rather than focused and informative?

I wonder if they will come out with a Compact or Carry sized 10mm? If they don't, who's going to buy a compact .40 slide and try to make it work?

Are 15 round magazines the only option? We're not allowed anything larger than 10 round capacity here behind enemy lines.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:

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Are you saying that a 10mm barrel is all that’s necessary to convert a 357/40 P320 to 10mm?

My limited knowledge says yes.... might take a different recoil spring but not sure. I've seen many folks claim that the 357sig round is a necked down 40 cal but my research says it is actually a necked down 10mm cartridge.

10mm came about after the FBI miami shootout asking for "more power"

FBI agents couldn't accurately use the 10mm at full power so they used a 10mm reduced load.

S&W and Winchester (I think) jumped in shortening the 10mm to make the .40 S&W (basically 10mm short) which had the same power of that 10mm reduced load the FBI liked.

SIG technically created the 357SIG off the 10mm auto as the 357SIG case is slightly longer than the 40 S&W, its metric name would be 9mm x 22

After I posted about the barrel change I realized the magazine would probably be bigger and so the mag well is probably larger on a 10mm gun. I just looked at the rifle I have that is made for pistol caliber ammo and the receiver with mag well is stamped just for 9/40/357 and so it seems that is right.

actually the same issue with P239s and 9mm lowers and 40/357 lowers... mag well is larger on the latter.

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Originally posted by Austin228:

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:

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Are you saying that a 10mm barrel is all that’s necessary to convert a 357/40 P320 to 10mm?

My limited knowledge says yes.... might take a different recoil spring but not sure. I've seen many folks claim that the 357sig round is a necked down 40 cal but my research says it is actually a necked down 10mm cartridge.

10mm came about after the FBI miami shootout asking for "more power"

FBI agents couldn't accurately use the 10mm at full power so they used a 10mm reduced load.

S&W and Winchester (I think) jumped in shortening the 10mm to make the .40 S&W (basically 10mm short) which had the same power of that 10mm reduced load the FBI liked.

SIG technically created the 357SIG off the 10mm auto as the 357SIG case is slightly longer than the 40 S&W, its metric name would be 9mm x 22

Paul Liebenberg, who worked for the old Smith Performance Center at the time deserves a lot of credit here.

He figured out and proved a shorter cartridge meeting the FBI specs for their watered down 10mm could fit in and safely be fired in a 5906/6906 sized pistol.

The concept took off and the rest is history.

Anyone picked one up yet?

We got our first one in today and I had plans to snag the first that came in.
The example we got was quite the disappointment.
The slide to frame fit is terrible. The thing rattles more than the interior of a 1980s Ford after 25 years.
You slowly rock your wrist up and down and you can feel the entire slide assembly move and even hear it.
Grab the muzzle end of the slide and the amount of side to side movement is terrible. Give the gun the slightest shake and you have an $800 maraca.
Unfortunate to say the least.
The Flat trigger feels just like my 320 in 9mm and the grip feels just right in the hand. It’s a bit thicker than my 320 in 9mm but not large feeling at all.
$799 does not seem like a bad price if they tighten the fit up.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
We got our first one in today and I had plans to snag the first that came in.
The example we got was quite the disappointment.
The slide to frame fit is terrible. The thing rattles more than the interior of a 1980s Ford after 25 years.
You slowly rock your wrist up and down and you can feel the entire slide assembly move and even hear it.
Grab the muzzle end of the slide and the amount of side to side movement is terrible. Give the gun the slightest shake and you have an $800 maraca.
Unfortunate to say the least.
The Flat trigger feels just like my 320 in 9mm and the grip feels just right in the hand. It’s a bit thicker than my 320 in 9mm but not large feeling at all.
$799 does not seem like a bad price if they tighten the fit up.

Well it's good to know there are at least a few of these out in the wild now.

Disappointing to hear about the slide to frame fit but that might vary from specimen to specimen.

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