Well, this model is at least assembled in the USA. I'd be interested if I didn't already have a P365.

MSRP is supposedly $390ish. Probably will sell for in the low 300s once things settle back down. That's a going to be a noticeable difference between itself and its intended competition. Yeah I'm pretty sure Taurus will sell them by the semi-load, especially if it's going to wear a "made" in Georgia rollmark on its flanks. Lotsa people are just plain CHEAP (cheep) to spend more. We've had so many buyers of the G2, G2C and G3, not to mention a TON of FFL transfers from Palmetto, Bud's and others for those models over the past 12 months. For a lot of customers it seems as if Taurus is the appropriate substitute if they can't find a Glock 19 to defend their horde of pandemic stuffs.

Having this GX-4 assembled/made here is (in theory) a significant benefit when compared to the inconsistent quality management that still goes on in Brazil. We just got in a natural finish 856 .38 and 605 .357; the 856 seems reasonably well put together (even has a better trigger than the typical J-frame) but the 605's cylinder rotates kinda wonky. Probably will go 'BANG' like it's supposed to though it certainly doesn't show well or inspire a lot of confidence, but at $330 and about $70 less than a S&W J .38 it's going to sell regardless of what I think of it.

Yes, the P365 is the gold standard for this class. But they'll be plenty of gun buyers who'll be perfectly happy with the bronze standard for $200 less, especially if the first reviews come back positive. This is the same marketing model that's working so well for Taurus with the G2C/G3C, of which I'm sure they're selling all they can make

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
All true, except that saying there is plenty of room in the field, which I would agreed with you, and what you actually said, “they will smoke Sig”, aren’t even close to similar statements.

The 365 sold a million copies in no time. Or a billion if you believe their press release. Lol. Taurus will have trouble hitting that’s mark let alone “smoking them”.

Like it or not, the 365 is the gold standard in this class right now.

You gun store employees with your “nobody is returning guns” have got to at least caveat those statements. People who try to return guns back to a store are in the minority. I’ve returned a dozen guns in my lifetime to different manufacturers. It’s always been the same process for warranty work. They send a label and you drop it off at UPS/FEDEX. Why anyone would involve your stores completely eludes me. Hell I live in a horrible gun state, Maryland, every single 320 I sent in for the “upgrade” (3), was delivered straight back to my door.

My point was that saying they will “smoke sig” is beyond stupid. Just to be clear, Sig is selling every 365 they make as well. There will always be Taurus buyers because people are cheap and don’t understand that compromising on a life saving tool is myopic at best.

You guys who are defending Taurus crack me up. Literally there are a dozen members here telling you their horror stories and because your gun works, all is well. The thread above mine, 2 revolvers, one seems fine the other is wonky at best. Really? We just had a thread on Taurus revolvers and Taurus defenders came out of the woodwork. Oh brother, their shit is hit or miss.

Taurus is trash. Yes at sub 300 dollars they will sell. You really shouldn’t buy one but it’s your money and your life.

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My point was that saying they will “smoke sig” is beyond stupid. Just to be clear, Sig is selling every 365 they make as well. There will always be Taurus buyers because people are cheap and don’t understand that compromising on a life saving tool is myopic at best.

You guys who are defending Taurus crack me up. Literally there are a dozen members here telling you their horror stories and because your gun works, all is well. The thread above mine, 2 revolvers, one seems fine the other is wonky at best. Really? We just had a thread on Taurus revolvers and Taurus defenders came out of the woodwork. Oh brother, their shit is hit or miss.

Taurus is trash. Yes at sub 300 dollars they will sell. You really shouldn’t buy one but it’s your money and your life.

Just my opinion and experience but I have had several Taurus revolvers and semi-autos and all of them have been fine. I find it ironic how most of these gun-snobs that talk low of Taurus and say they have low quality, etc. and they would not bet or depend on a Taurus firearm if their life depended on it, are some of the same people that own GM vehicles that have shoddy workmanship and design that they depend their life and family's on instead of buying and owning a Volvo or Mercedes. Again just my opinion. God Bless

***According to Sootch these Taurus GX4 are made in the USA in Georgia.

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I'm no Taurus fanboy by any means. However, we sell thousands of them every year and they seem to work, and are popular.

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Originally posted by VBVAGUY:
***According to Sootch these Taurus GX4 are made in the USA in Georgia.

I just checked out a GX4 in person. On the bottom of the dust cover, the frame was stamped, "Made in Brazil".

Taurus does have an office/facility in Bainbridge, GA. It's possible that they're making some there, similar to how some Glocks are made in Austria and some in Smyrna, GA.

I got burned twice by Taurus and both were semi auto's. Sold them for pennies on the dollar.

Nope. Not again. I'll pay a bit more for a Sig or a Glock.

I recall back in the 60 & 70s that cars from Japan were crappy but people still bought them because they were cheaper. Nowadays seems as thought many people think the Jap cars are great.
Might be the Taurus story turns out the same way.

What a load of bull.

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...owning a Volvo or Mercedes...

No, you really can't go there. If you think GM is crap, buy any 10 year old BMW, Benz or any other Euro-luxo and see first hand just how much of a Charlie Foxtrot those things can be. Been there, done that, still DOING that...leaves me pining for some kind of anonymous Honda thingy.

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What a load of bull.

I see what you did there!

Multiple reports of problems with the GX4 including delayed release of the striker after trigger pull (undocumented feature?). Looks like another gem from Taurus but hey it is cheap, so what?

I will point out two things.

First, a new modern auto having some teething pains at release isn't exactly uncommon. I can think of another double stack microcompact that had it's own shake out issues on release, but has gone on to be the class leader, with a strong following.

Second, all these failures are being shown on reset after multiple dry fire cycles. I will fully admit that that shouldn't happen. But have there been any reports of it happening in live fire? Maybe the stronger slide impulse from live fire prevents the problem? It should be dealt will, but if it's only on reset during dry fire, as a start up problems goe, it's not that bad.

All this does go back to the point that you probably never want to be buying a newly released gun right when it come out. If you wait 6-12 months, you'll be getting one with the bugs worked out.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
Multiple reports of problems with the GX4 including delayed release of the striker after trigger pull (undocumented feature?). Looks like another gem from Taurus but hey it is cheap, so what?

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First, a new modern auto having some teething pains at release isn't exactly uncommon

Teething pains? In the first video the guy tried firing his GX4 at the range and at one point it would not fire after pulling the trigger. Then he put it in his holster when the striker finally dropped and it discharged with the bullet just missing his leg/foot. That is not a teething problem, that is a fucking disaster of major scale and very poor design safety wise. The P365 had NOTHING close to that happen with it with broken firing pins the most common complaint I read off. This s why I will never buy or recommend a Taurus product. There are far better products for not much more investment whith far superior customer service.

Holy shit!!! That dude was about to re-holster appendix with a dead trigger when the gun decided to drop the striker and shot the ground next to his foot. To be fair, the safe thing to do after experiencing the malfunction would probably have been to clear the gun and make it safe prior to shoving it in your pants...yet that outcome is not something one would ever expect from a modern, well-designed firearm. Imagine if it had been a second or two later !

That's no bueno. The "teething pains" of the 365 were nothing compared to that. And this is why friends don't let friends buy Taurus....it'll shoot your dick off!

Yes I think you are being very cavalier concerning “teething” problems. The striker breaking due to a bad design is a teething problem. The gun going off long after you pulled the trigger isn’t a teething problem. It’s a potentially fatal problem. Taurus makes crap. You cheapskates want to pretend it’s great, just as good, yummy delicious. Whatever. They make more than their fair share of disasters.

Your life is worth saving the extra 100 bucks and getting a Sig or a Glock.

A gun that is too small that uses ammo that can't be found.

I'm out.

Acknowledging that brand X has a history of teething problems is not an argument that brands X is comparable to brand Y. It's simply a statement that neither brand X nor brand Y has been immune from teething problems. To infer otherwise is a logical fallacy.

From there you can argue the rate of failures among X's vs Y's guns. You can argue the seriousness of the failures (e.g., a broken striker is more serious than a broken sight). You can argue X is better than Y, b/c X's failures occured at lower frequency and lower severity.

As far as broken triggers, I recall early P365s were guilty of that. Related to that was the trigger spring scratching the back of magazines that were pervasive among first year P365s.

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That is not a teething problem, that is a fucking disaster of major scale and very poor design safety wise. The P365 had NOTHING close to that happen

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The gun going off long after you pulled the trigger isn’t a teething problem. It’s a potentially fatal problem.

It's as if you guys have never heard of the P320 debacle. SIG is still trying to live that one down in the courtrooms.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Yes I think you are being very cavalier concerning “teething” problems. The striker breaking due to a bad design is a teething problem. The gun going off long after you pulled the trigger isn’t a teething problem. It’s a potentially fatal problem. Taurus makes crap. You cheapskates want to pretend it’s great, just as good, yummy delicious. Whatever. They make more than their fair share of disasters.

Your life is worth saving the extra 100 bucks and getting a Sig or a Glock.

You hit that one right out of the park.

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It's as if you guys have never heard of the P320 debacle. SIG is still trying to live that one down in the courtrooms.

Not sure if you're referring to the drop-safety issue, which was the result of a very specific set of abnormal circumstances and Sig has developed and implemented a fix for, or the more recent, nebulous group of accusations that no-one has been able to replicate and are likely the result of poor handling or improper holster use. Neither of those issues (and I'd argue that the second set are user issues, not issues with the gun) are anywhere near what is being demonstrated here.

Some random dude on the internet is able to sit in his living room with his Taurus and repeatedly replicate an issue where the gun's trigger goes dead and then randomly drops the striker at a later, arbitrary time. And apparently it happened to him under live fire conditions on the range as well. If he's telling the truth, and hasn't somehow messed with the gun himself to cause this issue, that's a HUGE safety issue...and it's repeatable, which means it's clearly a problem with the gun. This is a much more significant issue than anything that's happened with the P320.