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The only experience Ive had with that was the first force on force class I was in... in the last scenario I had been in a fire fight and was trying to get off the street and a guy with "POLICE" across his chest came around the corner pointing an AR at me...my immediate response was to go face down in the dirt with my arms spread out wide and I quickly pushed the Sig P229 I had been firing away from me. ... this even got a mention in the video review later own. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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Shaman |
Ok I just picked up a 320C. Range report when I get home. He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
We have been on a spree of late, yes? | |||
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Umm yeah… He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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E tan e epi tas |
Gotta feed the endorphin monster. . We’ve probably all been there. God knows I have. "Guns are tools. The only weapon ever created was man." | |||
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Raptorman |
And it is unmodified. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Behold my Radiance! |
My company has handled and assessed a very large number of P320 upgrades. Just about nobody actually got a worse trigger back from the upgrade than they started with, but some OCD-prone individuals convinced themselves otherwise. This is due to two factors: first, they were looking for differences and defects in their newly upgraded pistols. Second, they knew a guy who had to send a Walther back. -Bruce Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components. Bruce Gray, President Grayguns Inc. Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729 | |||
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Freethinker |
It is always so good to hear from you, Bruce. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Behold my Radiance! |
Much love as always, old friend. Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components. Bruce Gray, President Grayguns Inc. Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729 | |||
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Big Stack |
Does anyone know what the upgrade actually entailed technically? What did SIG change in the trigger mechanism? And by anyone, I kind of mean Bruce, who actually knows what's going on in there. | |||
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Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
Lighter mass trigger and a disconnector. Original FCU did not have a disconnector, and the trigger could reset without cycling the slide. | |||
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Not Bruce but it lightened components to eliminate inertia pulling the trigger and it added an actual mechanical disconnector. If you look in the slide they milled out a channel (not prettily by the way) for the disconnector clearance. That’s the easiest way to tell in my opinion. The trigger looked different but at this point I don’t think I could tell anymore. | |||
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Freethinker |
If we look for the disconnector of the upgraded version, it's not even necessary to strain our eyes trying to find the slot that was milled for it: SIG MECHANICS has an excellent series of videos about the operation of the P320, including one that specifically analyzes the pre and post upgrade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmwpkJuIR00 ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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You don’t have to strain your eyes on mine. They all look like they took a cutoff wheel to mill the slot. Lol | |||
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Behold my Radiance! |
It's not a bad analysis, but it's quite incomplete. I'll post about the 320 in more detail. -Bruce Designer and custom pistolsmith at Grayguns Inc. Privileged to be R&D consultant to the world's greatest maker of fine firearms: SIG SAUER Visit us at http://opspectraining.com/product-cat/videos/ to order yours, and Thank You for making GGI the leader in custom SIG and HK pistolsmithing and high-grade components. Bruce Gray, President Grayguns Inc. Grayguns.com / 888.585.4729 | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
Bruce - The OP specifically asked about the function of the Manual Safety of the M17. Curiously, the Operators Manual(s) on the SIG website provides different descriptions for P320 vs. the M17 in terms of how the Manual Safety functions. Maybe you could you provide some insight on that? Inquiring minds want to know... ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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Freethinker |
Looking forward to that. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Prepared for the Worst, Providing the Best |
Agreed. Would be nice to get some straight answers from a recognized authority, and hopefully put a lot of the speculation and rumors to rest. Thanks for checking in, Bruce! | |||
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I hope Bruce starts a separate thread about the P320 and shares his knowledge of the inner workings of the pistol. Then sticky the thread to the top and anyone with a question about the safety of the pistol can be referred to the thread. I am looking forward to Bruce sharing his knowledge. Add to the fact that as busy as he is, he’s still willing to take the time to address this in detail is awesome! | |||
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Yes. Looking forward to Bruce’s knowledge and input on the subject as well. | |||
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