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Originally posted by Sgt 127:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^ Of course what you never see is what Dumb Fuckery may have occurred prior to what happened...On video. Similarly, they've never found anything wrong with ANY of the 'holstered' P320 Pistols either!

Of course, for that to work, that same dumb fuckery doesn’t happen with any other duty guns…

Sure seems odd that it only happens to duty guns...In holsters, huh?

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Originally posted by trapper189:

Examples of holstered non-P320 handguns firing have been provided.

So is this one video the smoking gun (pun intended) evidence we've all been waiting for?
A video no one seems to know anything about where the comments say he was using the wrong (G3 or M&P) holster? I was hoping for more but okay. I must say I'm blown away. You've convinced me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENT2X4TeZIM

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:

Of course, for that to work, that same dumb fuckery doesn’t happen with any other duty guns…

How do you know they aren't? Maybe they are and we just don't know/hear about it since they are not not in the news like the P320.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by trapper189:

Examples of holstered non-P320 handguns firing have been provided.

So is this one video the smoking gun (pun intended) evidence we've all been waiting for?
A video no one seems to know anything about where the comments say he was using the wrong (G3 or M&P) holster? I was hoping for more but okay. I must say I'm blown away. You've convinced me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENT2X4TeZIM

We get it Jupiter. You don't like the P320 and keep furthering the agenda.

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Originally posted by Fire Away:

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:

Of course, for that to work, that same dumb fuckery doesn’t happen with any other duty guns…

How do you know they aren't? Maybe they are and we just don't know/hear about it since they are not not in the news like the P320.

You then have to assume the anti gun media would not salivate to show any and all videos of M&P’s. Glocks and every other duty gun, sitting in a holster, getting tapped on the butt, getting bumped by a backpack, banging into another holstered gun…going off.

That this is simply a conspiracy to only put Sig in a bad light that everyone is involved in.

Or, apply Occams razor and accept that we keep seeing Sig P320’s going off in holsters, with no human interaction with the trigger, because they are.

Sgt, that is perhaps the most inaccurate application of Occams Razor I have ever read on these pages.

As for conspiracy. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a business model. Likes, views, monetization. That right there is the algorithm that populates your internet feed. Glock ND’s don’t sell. 320’s do. It’s the same reason K-pop is everywhere. The algorithm is selling a product and it’s working. When it stops selling you won’t see it. Doesn’t mean K-pop stopped being made it just means it isn’t moving the product anymore.

Remember the old trope “if you can’t tell what the product is then you are the product”? Your internet feed is perhaps the most scientifically crafted algorithm in modern times. It literally shapes your viewpoint without you even realizing it. That’s not Joe Rogan bullshit it just is the way it is. If you don’t actively and aggressively seek out the other viewpoint/side/story you won’t get it.

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Originally posted by Fire Away:

We get it Jupiter. You don't like the P320 and keep furthering the agenda.

No agenda, Fire Away.
As 92stech said, "In the P320 debacle, nobody has actually been able to prove what's going on". That is a fair statement.
For me, I just don't believe P320 users are disproportionately negligent. We should be seeing these kind of discharges across the board, regardless of handgun brand. It's just my opinion.

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As for conspiracy. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a business model.

Or. More simply, Sig P230’s are in the news because there are videos of them firing in holsters.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
For me, I just don't believe P320 users are disproportionately negligent. We should be seeing these kind of discharges across the board, regardless of handgun brand. It's just my opinion.

Apparently it's limited to users carrying it as a Duty Weapon. Members of this disproportionately negligent user group are easily identified by all the grainy videos posted on the internet documenting the ND that occurs while their P320 is secured in a Duty Holster!

My point was it has been mentioned multiple times that it was a “conspiracy”. Except no one here ever said that. Ultimate strawman. Accuse people of claiming a conspiracy when no one did except the original accuser.

Like I said many times in this thread, the logic and rational thought of individuals has left the building on this thread.

Hate on 320’s all day long, I don’t care. I don’t shoot them, haven’t for years. Listening to the crazy talk that is masquerading as rationality assaults my senses.

You were just the latest one. Yes, 50 machined parts, pins, and springs acting in concert with all the Swiss cheese holes lined up to shoot one (1) uncommanded round and then not being able to recreate that event no matter how hard they try. That, that right there is Occams Razor. Oh brother.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Like I said many times in this thread, the logic and rational thought of individuals has left the building on this thread.

You're right about that. Bias and emotion allow the imagination to run amok. A perfect example is how some folks can watch the USAA Austin video and see the USAA guard playing with his gun at his desk and showing reprehensible behavior.


I am glad to see we agree on some key points.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I think the safety margins are less than the other guns in their class.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
This gun has very little margin for user error compared to its peers.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
You're right about that. Bias and emotion allow the imagination to run amok. A perfect example is how some folks can watch the USAA Austin video and see the USAA guard playing with his gun at his desk and showing reprehensible behavior.

A wise man once said, if you shake it more than once, you're playing with it.

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Originally posted by DirectDrive:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
You're right about that. Bias and emotion allow the imagination to run amok. A perfect example is how some folks can watch the USAA Austin video and see the USAA guard playing with his gun at his desk and showing reprehensible behavior.

A wise man once said, if you shake it more than once, you're playing with it.

LOL....Maybe so, DirectDrive. Maybe that explains the double post as well.

We're at the very least still able to keep this thread mostly civil (even with all of the disagreement) and therefore open for discussion. The biggest thread on this subject (on that other forum) was locked by the mods a long time ago because it devolved into fanboys versus haters all too quickly.

There's no substitute for experienced, competent moderation.

Indeed!

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by Fire Away:

We get it Jupiter. You don't like the P320 and keep furthering the agenda.

No agenda, Fire Away.
As 92stech said, "In the P320 debacle, nobody has actually been able to prove what's going on". That is a fair statement.
For me, I just don't believe P320 users are disproportionately negligent. We should be seeing these kind of discharges across the board, regardless of handgun brand. It's just my opinion.

I read somewhere here are 4 million 320s in existence and 32 lawsuits from people. Yeah I can definitely see 30 plus people being negligent.

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Originally posted by Ghostface7.62:

I read somewhere here are 4 million 320s in existence and 32 lawsuits from people. Yeah I can definitely see 30 plus people being negligent.

Some folks here believe the safety margins are less for the P320 than other guns in their class. If true, that would go a long way in explaining the extra attention the P320 has been receiving from federal, state and local police agencies.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

Some folks here believe the safety margins are less for the P320 than other guns in their class. If true, that would go a long way in explaining the extra attention the P320 has been receiving from federal, state and local police agencies.

I would say most here believe that the negligence margin is a lot less for the P320, not the safety margin. The gun, probably the most tested gun in the history of handguns, has been proven safe when handled correctly

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Originally posted by mrprovy:
most here believe that the negligence margin is a lot less for the P320

That sounds great and would agree if all of these incidents were confirmed to be user negligence. Here lies the problem and the resulting pickle Sig is in.

I do feel we're starting to make progress. You believe the negligence margin is a lot less for the P320 and pedropcola believes the safety margin are less than other guns in their class.