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You are acting like a troll. You are actively trying to provoke a ridiculous argument. A hundred pages of this and pretty much everyone, myself included, all agree that Sig chased the perfect striker trigger and they made the safety margin smaller. This isn't news, it isn't ground breaking, it isn't anything but factual observation that people have been saying for roughly 6 dozen pages of this thread.

You on the other hand have continuously been walking the tight rope of claiming one day that these guns "just go off" and the next day distancing yourself from your own comments.

In addition you resurrected an old thread about adding a trigger safety with a ridiculous National Guard ND story that had nothing to do with anything other than you trying to stir the pot. Para shut the entire thread down. Locked.

You posted the previous post like somehow I have "come around to agree with you". That is total bullshit. I have said the same things from the beginning and continue to say the same things. You are acting like a troll in these 320 threads. Why? I have no idea. If it was to get a reaction then I guess you win, you got one. Congrats.

Para might not like me calling you a moron but you seem to be singling me out for your idiocy so I guess I just gotta take my chances.



Just to be clear. This is my first post on this thread. Page 1. #10. Back in May. I haven't changed a single thing since the beginning.

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I used to have 6 or 7 320’s. Picked most up them up fairly cheap when guys didn’t want to do the “voluntary” upgrade. I sent them all in.

If a gun “just went off” then that gun clearly has some version of the tolerance stacking or poor parts clearance or wear or whatever. Yet nothing I have ever read has indicated that any of those clearly deficient guns has been made to “just go off” under testing subsequent the event. That seems more than off.

I now have basically whittled my habit off the 320. I do wish mine had a tabbed trigger or manual safety. All that being said, if I had to carry these I fall into the above stated category. I think they are safe. I think they won’t spontaneously fire. I think the safety margins are less than the other guns in their class.

If you press a trigger it will fire. If it happened the way jones described it, finger actually inside the holster then personally, and no one besides me has to agree with me, I literally don’t give a shit how “respected” you are that ain’t “lightly brushed”. That guy is misrepresenting facts. Caveat, I didn’t watch the video I took Jones’s pov as fact because he is way more an expert than I.

Edit: not only did I not watch the video I also clearly can’t read. I said jones I meant rogue. Oops.
 
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You are acting like a troll. You are actively trying to provoke a ridiculous argument. A hundred pages of this and pretty much everyone, myself included, all agree that Sig chased the perfect striker trigger and they made the safety margin smaller. This isn't news, it isn't ground breaking, it isn't anything but factual observation that people have been saying for roughly 6 dozen pages of this thread.

You on the other hand have continuously been walking the tight rope of claiming one day that these guns "just go off" and the next day distancing yourself from your own comments.

In addition you resurrected an old thread about adding a trigger safety with a ridiculous National Guard ND story that had nothing to do with anything other than you trying to stir the pot. Para shut the entire thread down. Locked.

You posted the previous post like somehow I have "come around to agree with you". That is total bullshit. I have said the same things from the beginning and continue to say the same things. You are acting like a troll in these 320 threads. Why? I have no idea. If it was to get a reaction then I guess you win, you got one. Congrats.

Para might not like me calling you a moron but you seem to be singling me out for your idiocy so I guess I just gotta take my chances.



Just to be clear. This is my first post on this thread. Page 1. #10. Back in May. I haven't changed a single thing since the beginning.



Good post ^^^
You're right about the P320 and you're right about jupiter being an agitator.

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I'll have an explanation from you and I'll have it PDQ.
 
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Are you talking to me or direct drive? I in no manner shape or form called you (para) an agitator. I said Jupiter was acting like a troll and trying to stir up an argument in multiple threads. I said para might not like me saying that to Jupiter but since he (Jupiter) seems to be singling me out by name I might take heat from para.

I don’t have any idea how direct drive got me calling you (para) an agitator out of my post.

I think he transposed your name and Jupiter is my best guess.
 
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Are you talking to me or direct drive? I in no manner shape or form called you (para) an agitator. I said Jupiter was acting like a troll and trying to stir up an argument in multiple threads. I said para might not like me saying that to Jupiter but since he (Jupiter) seems to be singling me out by name I might take heat from para.

I don’t have any idea how direct drive got me calling you (para) an agitator out of my post.

I think he transposed your name and Jupiter is my best guess.


You've been here over 20 years.
Do you honestly believe Para would sit back and let me troll any member of this forum or put up with a lone agitator?
This has been a contentious thread with a lot of opinions. I appreciate the latitude he has given us. Going forward, I can only do my part to make sure this thread doesn't get the wrong kind of attention.


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These refutations from well-informed technical experts are sadly inadequate to return the P320 to IDPA usage.

At a local outdoor range, during the first week of new ownership, at a class, a student accidentally shot herself in the thigh, requiring a tourniquet and medical transport. It is thought that the UD occurred at holster qualification class. This points again to possible causes of user error and the interaction of holsters with pistols. So far no one has offered any details on the pistol involved.


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Suddenly, people on Twitter I SAID TWITTER who had never even heard of the P320 are speaking expertly on the inherent dangers of the pistol in the wake of the Petti shooting.

You can forget about dissuading them. The stories about the pistol going off spontaneously appeal to them for a variety of reasons and they feel no need to research the claims. Frankly, they're so ignorant on the subject of firearms in general, they wouldn't know where to begin or how to interpret the data even if they did bother to take a look.

All one can do is stay out of it.
 
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"Our updated opinion on the P320 controversy. 1-25-26."

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Step five, use a trusted expert opinion.
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So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to
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call in the FBI, right? I'm going to
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have them make a report. As funny as
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yeah, the FBI. They really know what
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they're doing." No, they don't. Uh but
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These refutations from well-informed technical experts are sadly inadequate to return the P320 to IDPA usage.

At a local outdoor range, during the first week of new ownership, at a class, a student accidentally shot herself in the thigh, requiring a tourniquet and medical transport. It is thought that the UD occurred at holster qualification class. This points again to possible causes of user error and the interaction of holsters with pistols. So far no one has offered any details on the pistol involved.

From sources at the training level it was a finger nail extended into the trigger guard.


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Thanks greg1147. I hate that the new owners and staff experienced this week 1. If it is not the P320, I sure wish it could become public and help the haters recognize user error.


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Suddenly, people on Twitter I SAID TWITTER who had never even heard of the P320 are speaking expertly on the inherent dangers of the pistol in the wake of the Petti shooting.

You can forget about dissuading them. The stories about the pistol going off spontaneously appeal to them for a variety of reasons and they feel no need to research the claims. Frankly, they're so ignorant on the subject of firearms in general, they wouldn't know where to begin or how to interpret the data even if they did bother to take a look.

All one can do is stay out of it.


Many people I know are asking me of the P320 can just spontaneously "go off." While I highly doubt it (being a Sig) all I had heard is that it earned a reputation for that when some military guys were screwing around with one, one shot the other and they claimed it misfired and later had to retract that testimony. I don't even know if that is true.

So after some time away, I came here to find out. I see I have 91 pages to read. This is probably gonna be tedious... Okay here goes!


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So after some time away, I came here to find out. I see I have 91 pages to read. This is probably gonna be tedious... Okay here goes!


Long story short, IF they are actually going off without a trigger pull, nobody to date has been able to demonstrate how. Even on the actual guns suspected of doing so. Which leads at least me personally to conclude that they're not.

The story itself is a study in PR mistakes, poor training and gun handling, internet drama, lawyer games, fanboyism, amateur engineering, YouTube click-whoring, and corporate greed. The video by Robert Burke a few posts above yours, while coming across a bit frustrated and angry, does a pretty good job of summing up the whole situation if you want to save yourself the time of reading through the whole thread. The Bruce Gray videos on this page and going back several pages prior will give you more technical details.

The thread itself, while it does contain some angst and bickering, does a pretty good job of discussing most of the individual incidents that have occurred over that past year or so, with reference to other incidents from before that. If you want to educate yourself on the entire history of sigforum P320 discussion as it unfolded, grab a pot of coffee and start reading! Big Grin.


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From sources at the training level it was a finger nail extended into the trigger guard.


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