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Originally posted by pedropcola:
And I think you are too sensitive. A couple of those comments were mine. I stand by them. If you tell an outright lie, a complete untruth, then you deserve to be called out for it.

Pedropcola,

When someone states their opinion, that's all it is, their opinion. Many of these opinions that upset you are shared by a lot of folks here and around the country. I don't believe people here are flat out lying about anything.
I don't have a problem with a clever or witty response to anything I post. I expect a little of that and it's not a problem. I do have a problem with this kind of stuff.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I am so sick of your lying bs on this topic.

I don't reply to many of your posts because I feel like I need to treat you with kid gloves.

^^ Well, then there's definitely too much 'opinion' in this thread...That, and not enough facts!

Feel free to never respond to me. I find your posts to be almost complete hogwash. You manufacture new terms to pivot from your false statements and then act surprised that you are being called out. You spent a dozen pages stating they “just went off in holsters”. Then you claim you never said that. “I said uncommanded”. Oh brother.

Uncommanded discharges. Good grief dude, that is some verbal gymnastics right there. If you get something into the trigger guard and the gun fires, whether you “intended” it to or not, it’s a negligent discharge not an unintended discharge, uncommanded discharge, unmanned, incoherent, unexplainable. Nope. None of those. NEGLIGENT. It’s not hard to understand but you sure are trying.

You guys have to take it easy. No one is interested in the bickering between two members.

I want the bickering to cease, and it's going to cease.

It's been a rough week for most of us and I want everyone to take a step back and count their blessings.

If there is any further need for me to address these things, expect a far less gentle demeanor.

I respectfully rest my case.

Trooper Joe

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/...26476?feature=random

“No injuries were reported after a Charlottetown police officer's service handgun went off on Thursday morning — while still in the holster.
It happened as the on-duty officer was getting out of his police vehicle near the Provincial Correctional Centre in Milton Station.”

Doesn’t specify the gun. Wiki shows Charlottetown to be one of two agencies in Canada that carry the P320 though.

Here are a couple of follow-up articles regarding the Charlottetown incident for those interested.

"Practical Shooting Insights" Friday, September 12, 2025.

"The reported uncommanded discharge involving a Charlottetown police officer in Canada is now confirmed to be a Sig P320."

https://www.facebook.com/pract...n-c/759035533698826/



Discharge of Police Firearm in Milton Station determined to be non-criminal
September 5, 2025 - Milton Station, Prince Edward Island
From: Prince Edward Island RCMP

Through video evidence, it is clear that the Charlottetown Police Service Officer was in the course of his duties exiting his police vehicle when the gun discharged in the holster without being handled. We are conducting further investigation and analysis into that firearm and holster to determine how it came to fire without being handled,” said Chief Superintendent Kevin Lewis of the PEI RCMP.

https://rcmp.ca/en/pei/news/20...ined-be-non-criminal

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Originally posted by Trooper Joe:
I respectfully rest my case.

Joe, this may come as a surprise to you, but I know what I'm doing.

And let me take this opportunity to point something out to you:

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Originally posted by Trooper Joe:
Sprinkled in the last ten pages I found these quotes. I am not sure whet I am learning about the P320 platform from these. If anything, they sort of create a “block” from actual learning.

4) You watch your fucking mouth. Don't you ever disparage this forum or its members.

Now, Joe, number 4, that I isolated in your comments- I said that. I said it to a member who made a remark I won't tolerate.

I don't know what you think you're doing by quoting me in such a way. I neither require nor desire any sort of criticism on the way I manage this forum, nor anything I post in it. I tend to matters as they come up, meaning I will break out the whole can of whoopass in any thread, at any time I see fit.

You're mistaken if you think closing this thread and then starting a new one on the subject at hand will make things any tidier. All it would accomplish is to scatter information on the subject and make it more difficult to locate and to follow. In case you haven't noticed, I have provided guidance throughout this thread to keep the thread mostly on track. If you want this thread to be sterile, it's not going to happen; contentious subject, lots of opinions and information and disagreement. That's all there is to it.

If profanity offends you, you're in the wrong place, and jumping on members at the first sign of friction between them is not the way to handle things. You have to give members a chance to resolve their conflicts, and if that doesn't happen, then you step in and break it up. This is treating members like the adults they are. Jumping on them too quickly, they feel as if they're not being treated fairly, and frankly, I agree.

As I said, I know what I'm doing. I hope this clears things up for you.

Of all the P320 threads that I've seen around the Internet, this one is an absolute gem. This thread has served as a good clearinghouse of links to different incidents and then followup discussion/analysis as information becomes available. Yeah, there have been arguments and some bickering back and forth, but it's typically based on disagreements about how to interpret the facts. Nobody knows exactly what's happening on this issue yet, so some disagreement is inevitable.

If you go look elsewhere on the internet, most of these discussions have devolved into juvenile shit-stirring by people who have no interest in identifying a problem. They just want to fan the drama, stick it to Sig, and insult anyone who ever bought a P320. I'm not sure why they get fulfillment from that, but clearly they do. That's not been allowed to happen here, and I'm grateful that this thread will continue to be a useful source of information and discussion.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
Of all the P320 threads that I've seen around the Internet, this one is an absolute gem.....

I could not agree more. This is by far one of the best and informational forums that I know of, and it's full of so many knowledgeable members who are willing to take the time to share what they've learned.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
If you go look elsewhere on the internet, most of these discussions have devolved into juvenile shit-stirring by people who have no interest in identifying a problem. They just want to fan the drama, stick it to Sig, and insult anyone who ever bought a P320. I'm not sure why they get fulfillment from that, but clearly they do. That's not been allowed to happen here, and I'm grateful that this thread will continue to be a useful source of information and discussion.

Unfortunately, the (supposed) anonymity of the internet brings out the worst in some people.

I agree. This is probably the only long-term thread I’ve seen (on this subject) that hasn’t turned into a pissing match between “haters” and “fanboys”. I hope we keep it that way.

The amazing thing about this thread is after 79 pages over many months we as members have not found the answer yet.

As for me I have owned many 320’s over the last few years but am down to one and it is an M18. I shoot it rarely and not in competition or for carry. I am simply a veteran and like having military models of U. S. Weapons in my limited collection.

Hopefully proof of a problem with a solution can be found. If not then who knows how many years this thread will last.

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Originally posted by FotoTomas:
The amazing thing about this thread is after 79 pages over many months we as members have not found the answer yet.

That’s true but as 92ftech noted, this thread hasn’t devolved completely and the useless back and forths have been minimal or effectively squashed by Para which I appreciate.

I’ve been in the camp of “so many reports and videos can’t all be discounted” to “I’ve seen the explanation of how the mechanisms interact to prevent a discharge other than the trigger being pulled.” I’m in the camp of “waiting for confirmation one way or the other.”

I’m in that camp because so many gun clubs and ranges have outlawed the P320.

You would think that there would be a resolution near with what seemed to be a fever pitched crescendo about a month and a half ago but it seems things have died down with still no resolution.

I continually check this page for updates.

My gun club has banned the 320 due to “an abundance of caution” until further notice. On the other hand several gun shops with ranges on site and 320’s for sale continue to support the platform. For me my P250, P229 and P365 keep the SIG itch scratched and the M18 sits quietly hoping for better times ahead.

Hi,i'm new on the forum, i'm shooting since 30 years and nerver seen a gun discharge by itself. The question with the p320 is: why the gun discharge only in holsters? If a little tap or vibration can fire the p320 why this doesn't translate at the range during qualification or training? If the FP can ignate the primer with a little shock, dont you think the pistol must be full auto when firing? There's much more vibrations and shock with the slide movement...

For those curious, our new friend is joining us from Switzerland, confirmed. I thought it best to clarify this.

Welcome, Slukatr

yes that's right! For information the p320 is in competition with Glock and HK as the new swiss army pistol! Armaswiss wich is competente to test the weapons was not able to discharge a P320 without pressing the trigger. Results of the winner in December.

I think most members here, though certainly not all, believe the P320 cannot fire without the trigger being pressed, and that is what I believe.

The question is just how the trigger is being pressed.

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Originally posted by Slukatr:
yes that's right! For information the p320 is in competition with Glock and HK as the new swiss army pistol! Armaswiss wich is competente to test the weapons was not able to discharge a P320 without pressing the trigger. Results of the winner in December.

I’d appreciate it if you update us when the results are available.

Just to be the Devil's Advocate, do you think SIG sent anything but a perfect example(s) to be tested by the Swiss?