I slowed the video down to .25x and it looks like he put his hand on the back half of the grip. Doesn't look like his finger was anywhere close to the trigger.

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
[url=https://x.com/benstoeger187/status/1992366245950451862?s=46]https://x.com/

In my opinion, this guy Stoeger is nothing but a smirking, rabble-rousing troublemaker and opportunist.

His fans will claim that my opinion is as a result of running a SIG-Sauer discussion forum, and running interference for SIG. For those who don't know this place and don't know me, this would be a natural, reasonable assumption, but nevertheless, this assumption is entirely incorrect. Reading my comments in this thread alone would serve to disprove that assumption. In this forum, we seek the truth, whatever it may be. There is no profit motive in my opinions, unlike Mr. Stoeger, who apparently sees dollar signs with the release of each new dubious video.

It's my strong preference to never again have links to his content appear in this forum.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I slowed the video down to .25x and it looks like he put his hand on the back half of the grip. Doesn't look like his finger was anywhere close to the trigger.

Based on what I saw in the video, I'd bet he was playing with the gun in the booth and just holstered or was in the process of holstering while exiting the booth, and something got caught in there. Further, aren't all of the USAA guns issued with manual safety's? If so, why would it be off unless he was fiddling with the gun?

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Originally posted by mrprovy:

Based on what I saw in the video, I'd bet he was playing with the gun in the booth and just holstered or was in the process of holstering while exiting the booth, and something got caught in there.

That's pretty good detective work. I missed all of that when I watched it.

It looks like what I did a dozen times a day. Push on mag. Push gun down in holster to make sure it’s seated and then check the thumbsnap or later, hood on a Safariland.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
[url=https://x.com/benstoeger187/status/1992366245950451862?s=46]https://x.com/

In my opinion, this guy Stoeger is nothing but a smirking, rabble-rousing troublemaker and opportunist.

His fans will claim that my opinion is as a result of running a SIG-Sauer discussion forum, and running interference for SIG. For those who don't know this place and don't know me, this would be a natural, reasonable assumption, but nevertheless, this assumption is entirely incorrect. Reading my comments in this thread alone would serve to disprove that assumption. In this forum, we seek the truth, whatever it may be. There is no profit motive in my opinions, unlike Mr. Stoeger, who apparently sees dollar signs with the release of each new dubious video.

It's my strong preference to never again have links to his content appear in this forum.

I’ll remove it. And, I agree with you. It was the only video I found at the time. I replaced it with a YouTube.

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Originally posted by mrprovy:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I slowed the video down to .25x and it looks like he put his hand on the back half of the grip. Doesn't look like his finger was anywhere close to the trigger.

Based on what I saw in the video, I'd bet he was playing with the gun in the booth and just holstered or was in the process of holstering while exiting the booth, and something got caught in there. Further, aren't all of the USAA guns issued with manual safety's? If so, why would it be off unless he was fiddling with the gun?

Agreed.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
In my opinion, this guy Stoeger is nothing but a smirking, rabble-rousing troublemaker and opportunist.

Also agreed. He's just stirring shit for views.

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
It looks like what I did a dozen times a day. Push on mag. Push gun down in holster to make sure it’s seated and then check the thumbsnap or later, hood on a Safariland.

No telling how many times officers do this daily without thinking about it.

Somehow coming to the conclusion he was playing with the gun is real stretch.

I pretty much just skip anything stoeger puts out these days. doesn't matter what gun brand. i see his face and it's an automatic skip.

Whenever I get out of my car I always touch my grip to make sure I still have my gun. I put a QLS fork on my holster so whenever I have to go in the jail, I just take the whole holster off and leave it in my desk. I have forgotten to go get my gun if I leave the jail for a call. So now I always push on the grip before I get in the car and when I get out.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
I pretty much just skip anything stoeger puts out these days. doesn't matter what gun brand. i see his face and it's an automatic skip.

Whenever I get out of my car I always touch my grip to make sure I still have my gun. I put a QLS fork on my holster so whenever I have to go in the jail, I just take the whole holster off and leave it in my desk. I have forgotten to go get my gun if I leave the jail for a call. So now I always push on the grip before I get in the car and when I get out.

One of my academy instructors recommended always locking the car key up with the gun; I always did and never ran out without either.

After all this time, and taking the evidence into consideration, it appears that the truth is that the trigger is being pulled or pressed in order to cause these discharges. The question is how this is happening with the P320 with far greater frequency than with other pistols. The common denominator appears to be duty holsters, though pointing this out should not be automatically interpreted as an indictment of the holsters themselves. It's not tolerance stacking, it's not a ghost in the machine. The P320's safety mechanisms function as they should.

People should read this thread. That's my recommendation. It's a lot to wade through, but if you want to get a handle on what's happening, you would be doing yourself a favor.

Either that, or you can go to youtube and listen to certain people who want to sensationalize matters, and capitalize on the controversy and convolution for their personal gain.

I believe it was Confucius that said "Bring us the dingus so the pistol doesn't sting us".

Dang, I wish I'd said that.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I believe it was Confucius that said "Bring us the dingus so the pistol doesn't sting us".

Are you sure it wasn’t Johnny Cochran?

The P320 weighs the same as a duck... - it's made of wood. - And therefore...?

I don't, and most likely never will, own a striker fired auto pistol (I am content with the Classic P DA/SA), but there are a lot of people who stand to make a lot of money on the P320, and Sig Sauer is not who I have in mind.

I believe Sig Sauer has its customers best interests in its efforts to do business.

Any firearm from any maker can appear to self-discharge, if the conditions are just right (or just wrong). A thread in the holster pulling the trigger. That kind of thing. One in 10 million or whatever.

As has been acknowledged here, these freak occurrences seem to happen with the P320 with far more frequency than you see in other firearms.

Thus, the many lawsuits, the Stoeger hate (though I have never seen him say anything objectively false about Sig) and this thread.

The flip side is that, to my knowledge, neither Sig nor any non-Sig entity has been able to replicate a self-discharge in a unmodified P320. That's a strong data point, fo shizzle.

Though not conclusive.

I'm staying neutral on this one, though in the dark recesses of my brain cone I tend to believe there is something wrong with the P320. At a minimum, there is strong evidence that it appears to be more susceptible to negligent discharges than other firearms, and there is more than zero evidence that it goes boom on its own accord.

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the Stoeger hate (though I have never seen him say anything objectively false about Sig)

I don't think anybody's accusing him of lying, but he's also not putting forth anything of constructive substance, and most of his videos are at least 50% just reading viewer comments and talking smack, which he appears to revel in.

This is a serious, real-life issue for some of us and it's hard enough to stay current on all the developments without having to dredge through all that shit. Thankfully he's consistently useless enough that his content has become easy to just ignore.

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The flip side is that, to my knowledge, neither Sig nor any non-Sig entity has been able to replicate a self-discharge in a unmodified P320. That's a strong data point, fo shizzle.

Honestly, the longer this goes on and the more scrutiny the gun gets without somebody being able to replicate the problem, the more confident I get in the platform. You're correct that it's not 100% conclusive, but the same could be said for any design as it's impossible to prove a universal negative.

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Originally posted by powernoodle:
...the Stoeger hate...

You would be doing yourself a favor in being more precise with your language, and avoiding juvenile exaggerations such as "hate" when referring to the well-deserved calling-out of this guy's behavior. I don't care what you think about him, but you're not going to come into this forum and imply that it's somehow our problem when I and others point out this behavior. I held my tongue for quite some time, and I do not make such pointed observations lightly about critics in the online gun community.

There's no "hate" about it. I know what I see. The guy is an opportunist with a profit motive. If this is something you willingly tolerate, that's on you.

I have bought from stoeger in the past but his behavior during this saga has guaranteed I won’t in the future. He has become nothing more than an MTV reality show. He says and posts any content regardless of veracity to further his likes, his reach, his profit. Screw that guy.

That dumbass security guard was screwing with his equipment and caused an ND. He then had the exact same thought as that murderous airman, “I can blame it on the gun because everybody knows they just go off”. Reprehensible behavior all around.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:.

That dumbass security guard was screwing with his equipment and caused an ND. He then had the exact same thought as that murderous airman, “I can blame it on the gun because everybody knows they just go off”. Reprehensible behavior all around.

What did you see to make you believe he was screwing around with his equipment?