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We're trying to craft a firearms policy for my office. We are not at all opposed to allowing people to carry at work in principle, but are concerned about potential liability for accidents, negligence or even justified uses of force.

What is the policy at your place of business? And if you are an employer who allows it, what are your thoughts on liability issues?
 
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No written policy. Obviously I'm fine with it, but don't feel the need to tell them what to do.
 
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Unfortunately, its a strict no here




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All of my employees are required to have their license (we have a few options in Missouri), and any of them can carry on the job if they wish.


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Posts: 15945 | Location: St. Charles, MO, USA | Registered: September 22, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Nope.


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Used to be able to. Despite 33 years without a single incident, the policy was changed to no firearms on premises. Still unable to get a solid answer as to why.


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Without seeing the company's insurance policy and not being privy to corporate's legal council advice, its highly likely a big no. Most company's do the Nancy Reagan, just say no; considering insurance companies are highly suspect of any risk, and the opinion/climate shaping that's been going on about firearms, explicitly allowing employees to carry probably escalates the premiums quite a bit nowadays.

Now, do I tell them or, announce that I'm carrying, no. If a company want's to be friendly towards CCL employees, the best policy is probably an unannounced or, implied ok. You're trying to avoid the idiot who carries in a shitty holster, gets something caught in the trigger guard, gun goes off and hits Marge the receptionist. You know...liability.
 
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That's a hard no from my employer.




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While firearms in the office/plant were specifically prohibited, for many years my former employer had an unwritten don't ask - don't tell policy re: firearms in one's personal vehicle. As the political landscape evolved, the Human Resources department drafted a very specific zero tolerance firearms policy. Under the new policy, discovery of even a spent shot shell or cartridge case in one's personal vehicle would result in automatic dismissal.
 
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Immediate termination at my employer, and at the well-known international company we lease our space from. Can't even leave it in the car.



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Yes. No permit required nor permission from the owners. We are well protected.

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Perhaps the best policy in Florida is to simply state that you follow the laws of the state. Period.


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Before I retired, the rules changed a good deal. Went from "don't ask" to not even in the car. Fortunately, I retired before it got that insane.

A few years prior to that rule change there was a mass shooting at one of our facilities. A disgruntled ex-employee shot up the place, killed a few, wounded more.

Somehow the idiots figured if they just said no guns allowed, that would solve the problem. Yeah, right!

All it did was make employees defenseless.

Criminals, by definition, do not worry about following the law, or corporate regulations!

That is why they are called CRIMINALS!


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Allowed and encouraged here. Smile
I'm even giving a box of HST's to each of my fellow concealed carrier coworkers for Christmas this year. (Knowing their carry caliber is my way of showing I care) Everyone else is getting a tin of those dry ass sugar cookies.
 
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yes and yes



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I am the owner, I make them show me a valid CCW permit and company policy is no round in the chamber, concealed at all times, required to be in a holster even if in a purse etc.


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Posts: 5210 | Location: Boca Raton, FL The Gunshine State | Registered: July 30, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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When I write policies or building rules for my clients, I usually put in a provision that "employer (or landlord, as the case may be) may restrict the carry of personally owned firearms".

That gives the employer the ability to publish a change to policy if required to do so by their insurance carrier, or for some other reason, but does not ban the practice.

Note that Florida also has a fairly broad "parking lot" rule that permits employees and customers to keep guns in their cars, notwithstanding the building, parking lot, or employee rules.



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Originally posted by Timdogg6:
I am the owner, I make them show me a valid CCW permit and company policy is no round in the chamber, concealed at all times, required to be in a holster even if in a purse etc.


No Round in Chamber --- only issue I see there is now there are people who are mucking around taking a round in and out of the chamber, perhaps in the parking lot etc. I was taught that the less one handles a carry gun, the less the chance of an ND.


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The owner carries, and respects Florida Statutes.


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My place had no published policy at all for most of the time I was employed there. Many of us found that surprising, since the company at one time was headed by a liberal.

Then, a few years before I retired, an addendum to the employee handbook was issued which contained a "no firearms" provision.

The provision appeared once, and was never incorporated into subsequent employee handbooks, which were revised annually. We were all required to sign a paper acknowledging that we had read and would abide by the policies contained therein.

It was theorized that two scares that had resulted in building lockdowns and a police presence in our parking lot for a couple days each had inspired management to reconsider prohibiting the lawful (concealed) carry of firearms on the premises. After the second such incident I remarked to an HR person "I wonder if the big guy is rethinking the no firearms thing right about now." She was non-committal.

I never actually asked, per se, but I did subsequently note to the same HR person once that I'd noticed the provision never appeared to have made it into the regular employee handbook. She acknowledged my comment with a look on her face that suggested "and it might be best not to pursue the question."

In my last year+ of employment I said "screw it," and carried daily.



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