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Originally posted by smschulz:
Milo is responsible for his own actions.
You can't blame anyone else for this one.
I've never been a big fan but never advocated against him either.
He did it all to himself.
Whether it is justified or not is not my call.
Seems a little overboard to me.

Sums it up for me.

My feelings about Milo have been on a merry-go-round the last three days. I listened to his entire news conference yesterday and I give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he deserves to be heard out before opinions are made.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
I think he deserves to be heard out before opinions are made.

That's not the Liberal way...

I enjoy how Milos communicates and how he truly kills the progs sacred cows but the comment was stupid and if he believes it .....not good

Don't care about the homosexuality ....but underage relationships are a no no

Looks like Milo is going after Maher about comments that Maher made about some underage sex shenanigans. Apparently Maher is taking credit for Milo's downfall.

Bill Maher- "Debra LaFave screwing her 14 year old boy student, the crime is that we didn't get it on video tape."

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
I think he deserves to be heard out before opinions are made.

That's not the Liberal way...

I'm not so sure the liberals are
to blame for much of his problems
some of the blame probably lies with
conservatives as well.

No doubt he's to blame for what he said, and
hes a victim of his own success in a way
because he's been 100% open in his methods
not taking any quarter and going 110%.

Hopefully he learns from this, and moves forward, it's been blown out of proportion
JMO however that is what happens when you
put yourself out there like he has...

This is David Horowitz's take. Excerpts from article linked below.

"Barney Frank had a prostitution ring operating out of his house and masturbated into the president's locker in the Capitol gym. But that didn't prevent him from architecting the incredibly destructive Dodd-Frank bill and the subprime mortgage crisis because Democrats never broke ranks and protected him.

Milo is indisputably the most effective conservative on campus battling the anti-American identity-obsessed, racist Left. He is a victim of sexual abuse himself, which entails confusion on these issues. That conservatives would abandon him - throw him to the wolves - tells you everything you need to know why the Left dominates the national culture and thus the political culture which is downstream."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fp...olves-david-horowitz

This link goes to an article that has the unedited video.

Below is what was edited out:

Given that he said he agrees with the age of consent and given that the age of consent in the UK is 16 and given that he ends that section after the 'young boys' with "providing they're consensual," it was taken out of context deliberately.

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Milo: “This is a controversial point of view I accept. We get hung up on this kind of child abuse stuff to the point where we’re heavily policing even relationships between consenting adults, you know grad students and professors at universities.”

The men in the joint video interview then discuss Milo’s experience at age 14.

Another man says: “The whole consent thing for me. It’s not this black and white thing that people try to paint it. Are there some 13-year-olds out there capable of giving informed consent to have sex with an adult, probably…”

The man says, “The reason these age of consent laws exist is because we have to set some kind of a barometer here, we’ve got to pick some kind of an age…”

Milo: “The law is probably about right, that’s probably roughly the right age. I think it’s probably about okay, but there are certainly people who are capable of giving consent at a younger age, I certainly consider myself to be one of them, people who are sexually active younger. I think it particularly happens in the gay world by the way. In many cases actually those relationships with older men…This is one reason I hate the left. This stupid one size fits all policing of culture. (People speak over each other). This sort of arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent, which totally destroys you know understanding that many of us have. The complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships. You know, people are messy and complex. In the homosexual world particularly. Some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, the sort of coming of age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable and sort of a rock where they can’t speak to their parents. Some of those relationships are the most -”

It sounds like Catholic priest molestation to me, another man says, interrupting Milo.

Milo: “And you know what, I’m grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him.”

Other people talk. Oh my God, I can’t handle it, one man says. The next thing in line is going to be pedophilia…says another man.

Milo: “You’re misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13-years-old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet. Who have not gone through puberty. Who are too young to be able (unclear and cut off by others)…That’s not what we are talking about. You don’t understand what pedophilia is if you are saying I’m defending it because I’m certainly not.”

Another man said, “You are advocating for cross generational relationships here, can we be honest about that?”

Milo: “Yeah, I don’t mind admitting that. I think particularly in the gay world and outside the Catholic church, if that’s where some of you want to go with this, I think in the gay world, some of the most important, enriching and incredibly life affirming, important shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences for those young boys. They can even save those young boys, from desolation, from suicide (people talk over each other)… providing they’re consensual.”

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Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13-years-old who is sexually mature.

Yes, it is. Attraction to a 13 year old boy or girl is pedophilia.

13 year olds are not "sexually mature." That is the kind of rationalization that pedophiles make.

Nobody at 13 has the depth of sexual experience along with self-knowledge that would qualify them to make mature decisions about sexual activity with older men.

Like Horowitz, I think that Milo was a great weapon against the left, and I regret that he has been, at least temporarily, sidelined. But, speaking of "sidelined," when Jerry Sandusky was revealed as a pedophile, here in Pennsylvania there were many-- as in MANY-- whose first thought was how this would damage Penn State's football program. Let's keep our priorities straight, even with something so important as defeating the left in America. We are not going to offer up sacrificial children either to football programs or politics.

There is no reason to believe that Milo is a pedophile. He has denounced pedophiles, and disclosed his role in prosecuting three of them. There's no reason to believe, then, that he is guilty of anything more than a stupid opinion.

And if that is the case, pugnacious as he is, he'll be back.

justjoe, I enjoy the hell out of your posts.

I think you are right. Looking at how he has handled this fuck up and how his followers on social media continue to grow, I believe Milo can survive this. I hope he continues to give leftists the absolute hell they deserve.

Thanks, stickman!

I'm rooting for him and do not support him any less than I did before. My wife had preordered his book and is disappointed. Hopefully it'll get published still.

He was gaining popularity and making lefties nervous. So popular that he got invited to Bill Maher's show and CPAC. They can't call him racist, nazi, homophobic or anti immigrant so they call him a pedophile. Sounds like character assasination 101. All of a sudden they decide to go back to this interview? Orchestrated taking down of someone who posed a threat to them.

And yet his Facebook account will likely surpass 2 million followers in the next day or so. They didn't take him out I think they only made him stronger.

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Originally posted by justjoe:

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Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13-years-old who is sexually mature.

Yes, it is. Attraction to a 13 year old boy or girl is pedophilia.

13 year olds are not "sexually mature." That is the kind of rationalization that pedophiles make.

Like Horowitz, I think that Milo was a great weapon against the left, and I regret that he has been, at least temporarily, sidelined. But, speaking of "sidelined," when Jerry Sandusky was revealed as a pedophile, here in Pennsylvania there were many-- as in MANY-- whose first thought was how this would damage Penn State's football program. Let's keep our priorities straight, even with something so important as defeating the left in America. We are not going to offer up sacrificial children either to football programs or politics.

There is no reason to believe that Milo is a pedophile. He has denounced pedophiles, and disclosed his role in prosecuting three of them. There's no reason to believe, then, that he is guilty of anything more than a stupid opinion.

And if that is the case, pugnacious as he is, he'll be back.

As important as physical maturity is mental/emotional maturity. These pedophiles can make all the arguments they want about physical development, but a 13 yr old is not emotionally mature. Moreover, emotional disparity is also destructive to the least developed in a relationship. So, even though a person is 18, a partner 30 yrs older will have unfair influence/control since age has no doubt taught the older partner how to manipulate a more naïve companion. From my observation, most of the manipulators do so selfishly at the expense of their significant other.

Matt Schlapp says he doesn't think Milo supports pedophilia.

One of my own grandmothers, RIP, who married a preacher - one of my grandfathers, also RIP, started having children at 14... and no one thought much of it back then.

Moral of the story: don't get hung up on a number/age as though that in and of itself means much. They're subjective standards, and have changed many times throughout history.

Here We Go Again: Conservative's Speech Cancelled at Berkeley Over 'Security Concerns'
Guy Benson

A planned speech by conservative writer and lecturer David Horowitz at the University of California at Berkeley has been cancelled after the university imposed an escalating series of restrictions and costs upon event organizers. After left-wing fascists violently shut down a scheduled appearance by provocateur Milo Yiannopolous earlier this year, university officials informed the campus' College Republicans chapter that bringing another controversial right-leaning figure to speak would now come with new, massive fees and additional obstacles. Rather than doing what it takes to defend freedom of speech and thought at the birthplace of the free speech movement, Cal administrators are punishing conservatives for the unacceptable reactionary tantrums of their ideological opponents, making conservative speech literally less free at the school. San Francisco's CBS affiliate reports:

The university’s efforts to prevent an encore of the violent protests that forced them to cancel a talk by conservative activist Milo Yiannopoulos, have, according to campus Republicans, stifled free speech and made it increasingly difficult to bring conservative thinkers to Cal. Berkeley Campus Republicans spokesperson Troy Worden said, “There is such a thing as the heckler’s veto. Basically, if they’re loud enough and violent enough, then they succeed in shutting down your event.” Campus Republicans canceled an upcoming appearance by David Horowitz after university police told them that to insure they could provide adequate security…the event would have to be held in the middle of the day…and outside the center of campus. UC Berkeley spokesperson Dan Mogulof said, “We’re sorry they had to cancel it. It has nothing to do whatsoever with the speaker’s perspective and everything to do with what law enforcement professionals believed needed to be done to provide a safe and secure event.”

Worden is exactly right to invoke the term "heckler's veto" to describe this silencing dynamic, as the violent Left's appalling behavior is being rewarded by the school. The lesson here is a perverse one: The more violence you foment, the more likely you are to ensure that people with whom you disagree won't be able to voice their views on campus. And the university's spin doesn't fly; the cancellation has everything to do with the "speaker's perspective," even if the administration isn't explicitly making a value judgment on his ideology. Conservatives are not technically banned from addressing on-campus audiences, but the conduct of the torch-and-pitchfork-wielding mob means that anyone wishing to organize such a gathering must fork over large sums of money, and jump through ridiculous logistical hoops, in order for the speech to be considered "secure." It goes without saying that such outrageous limitations do not apply to voices on the other end of the political spectrum, which amounts to de facto viewpoint discrimination. And I do mean outrageous. Via Horowitz's press release:

Horowitz’s hosts, the UC-Berkeley College Republicans, originally invited Horowitz to speak in the late afternoon when most classes are over and students would be available to hear him. But UC administrators insisted Horowitz could speak only at 1PM when afternoon classes are starting and most students would have difficulty attending. The UC police department also instructed Horowitz and the CRs not to advertise the location of the event but to keep it secret until just before the event itself. “In other words,” Horowitz commented, “the Berkeley administration has taken a page out of Orwell. Berkeley promotes itself as the ‘home of the free speech movement,’ but conservatives are free to speak only as long as they remain hidden.” The Berkeley College Republicans agreed to these onerous restrictions under duress, but they were still blindsided by the University’s last-minute bill for security amounting to $5788—which the university claimed was the “bare minimum”—and an estimated $2000+ for rental of the room the University insisted on which was a half-mile away.

Conservatives are welcome to speak at UC Berkeley. Unless they trigger too many people, that is, in which case they must gather off campus, at a secret location, at an inconvenient time, at exorbitant expense to the sponsoring student group. Free speech! If Berkeley were serious about free expression and pluralistic values, they would use university resources to ensure the safety of the invited speaker and those who wish to hear his remarks. They would insist that authorities crack down on criminal behavior like vandalism, destruction of property, and physical assault (only one arrest was made during the Milo riot). And they would aggressively pursue severe academic sanctions against any students who disrupt the event. Hiding behind these demands and pawning off the cancellation decision on the College Republicans or the campus police is an act of unprincipled cowardice. The school's administration should follow the lead of Middlebury College's president, who has responded appropriately to the disgraceful incident that occurred there last month -- and Berkeley's faculty should embrace the excellent and morally-clear statement of values endorsed by dozens of Middlebury professors. I'll leave you with additional examples of this madness playing out at other campuses just this week, one of which Christine highlighted:

Students 'fear' Chick-fil-A will jeopardize 'safe place'
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...ings-unsafe-n2311985

An unsolicited word of advice to the insufferable toddlers at Duquesne: If you truly cannot tolerate the mainstream political views of a restaurant's owner, don't eat there. That's a sad life to live, but that's your choice. But if that restaurant's mere existence makes you feel "unsafe," it's time to re-evaluate your life. And as for the depressingly necessary show of force in Indiana ahead of a Charles Murray lecture, it's extraordinary how the "safe space" brigade seeks to enforce its dissent-squelching agenda by deliberately undermining the community's actual safety. I'll say it as often as is necessary: These hecklers must not be afforded the power to veto ideas they don't like. The jackals must not be permitted to prevail. Adults need to be adults, and laws and policies must be enforced. The illiberal trend on campuses is a national disgrace, and bad precedents cannot be allowed to take root.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...ty-concerns-n2312756

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Here We Go Again: Conservative's Speech Cancelled at Berkeley Over 'Security Concerns'
Guy Benson

A planned speech by conservative writer and lecturer David Horowitz at the University of California at Berkeley has been cancelled after the university imposed an escalating series of restrictions and costs upon event organizers.

Ann Coulter is scheduled to speak there in a few weeks. Her event will undoubtedly experience the same fate.

Whoa. Milo appears to have found some supporters with deep pockets and plans on launching a media venture.

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