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Ice age heat wave, cant complain. |
I remember when Corey Feldman was making such statements, I figured (after the news broke about Weinstein) it was him. NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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stupid beyond all belief |
Getting closer to a Cosby amount of accusations. What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
Untitled by Wayne Wilson, on Flickr What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand??? | |||
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Unhyphenated American |
__________________________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. Richard M Nixon It's nice to be important, it's more important to be nice. Billy Joe Shaver NRA Life Member | |||
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Ignored facts still exist |
Harsh! . | |||
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Made from a different mold |
While some of these women are likely victims, I'd wager that the better portion knew well in advance what was going to happen and how much they'd be paid. If that's the price to be in Hollywood, I wouldn't want my daughter to even think about it. These powerful executives only have the power to persuade people to do things within their realm of control, ie: take your dicking or you won't be in my movie and I'll get you black listed with everyone else. That's fine, except, we are seeing that women (AND MEN) are setting any shred of decency and morals that they may have aside and bending over and taking the dicking. The victim cannot be a victim, if they accept the others control in exchange for income. With the exception of forceful rape (which has been accused), there is a very narrow window of being a victim. These women could have told Harvey Weinstein to piss up a rope and walked, but they did whatever they were being paid to do. Being morally bankrupt does not make anyone a victim: I truly believe that anyone that accepted his hush money is complicit and as guilty of sexual harassment as Harvey Weinstein, because their in-actions led to him victimizing the next person. They were complicit in the cover up, which makes them as much a part of it as he was. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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probably a good thing I don't have a cut |
Well, you let me know when the later victims start suing the earlier victims. | |||
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So apparently the solution to all of this is islam
http://www.breitbart.com/londo...-scandal-sell-islam/ ...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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Chip away the stone |
^^^ Women might be safer, but I also bet we'd be seeing a lot more young boys, and goats, in major Hollywood roles. | |||
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Coercion does not have to be physical. There's a difference between "I will pay you to do this" and "if you don't do this, I will screw up your life/take away your livelihood/make it so you can't do what you love anymore." | |||
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Coin Sniper |
"So tell me _____ how bad do you want to be a star?........." Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Made from a different mold |
I get that, but I really have a problem with someone taking money, a starring role, or whatever financial arrangement in exchange for their silence, further allowing this kind of activity to continue. I would never whore myself out in exchange for any amount of money, but then again, I have morals. Those morals would stop me from pursuing a career in showbiz if I was told I had to sleep my way into a role. There would be no stopping me from telling the world how morally bankrupt those in showbiz either....now, if people choose to put their heads in the sand and not heed the warning, then that's on them and I wouldn't be above telling them "I told you so". How would you handle your boss taking you on a business trip and saying: maladat, I've got $250,000 and a contract for you to sign, but in order for you to get it, you'll be doing whatever I ask sexually and you will never speak of it to anyone? If you ever speak of what is going on, I'll be sure that you never work around here ever again and I can make your life a living hell, so you may as well accept. Now, you can say fuck my morals and accept the offer which would make you a whore. You could tell him/her to fuck off and offer a "I won't tell if you won't tell", OR You could kick him/her in the junk and tell every living soul what an asshole he/she is and keep your integrity. Job security is nothing if it means selling your soul! Quick edit to add: I do not think it is right that he did anything that he did. I am just pointing out the notion of being a "victim" in situations like these women are claiming. There is no justification for a man to do any of what is claimed, but I think we are handing out passes a little to easily for some of the women. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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probably a good thing I don't have a cut |
Wow. It's a good thing for Harvey that he never harassed you. | |||
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Info Guru |
It's not just a threat against their livelihood if they talked, he had them sign Nondisclosure Agreements. https://www.vox.com/the-big-id...exual-harassment-nda “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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For most of these women, there was no upside to saying anything. How do you prove that Harvey came out of the bathroom naked asking for a massage? He'd just deny it. You're back to square one, he's still a movie mogul. I can see them just wanting to get on with their lives and avoiding him. | |||
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Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. |
NDA is simply common practice for most settlements of any type. | |||
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Info Guru |
Employees were required to sign when they were 'hired':
And then if they sued him for harassment, they settled out of court, and of course had them sign another NDA in order to settle. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
You can be sure it rarely ever goes down like you're discussing. ^ Because if it did, far more would rebuke such clumsy attempts, because while some hot starlet may be perfectly willing to get down for a movie deal, truly willingly or after rationalizing it away via some bullshit or classic repression, they don't actually want to feel like a whore or the like, and so the game is played, hardly different than dating games of the regular variety. Try waving a Benjamin at some hottie and flatly suggesting a fuck, versus the normal dance. Instead, it would be more like "I hear you want to work with Spielberg/etc, I may be able to help with that...", to which her eyes light up, "but we're at a party right now, and I'm tired of talking business, let's have another drink", or any one of countless other vague inferences and sly grins. Now, with someone like Harvey, maybe he got bored, more impatient, and bolder / more blatant, pissed off too many, but that's the exception, which is part of how and why such things go on with such regularity and for decades or more. Because when it actually happens, it's much more subtle than "hey, compromise your morals and ignore your marriage, get undressed and fuck me for a deal/job/promotion...". | |||
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Made from a different mold |
That's really my point. It's the actions of all of the previous "victims" that allowed him to go on so long, because they just held their collective tongues and drove on. Any one of these women that was raped could have filed a rape report with the police department whose jurisdiction it happened in. Hopefully, their case would be investigated fully and prosecuted accordingly. How pissed off would you be if someone you know was raped because 10 others that were raped before kept their mouths shut to keep their jobs? You are right though about proving he came out of his bathroom naked and making sexual advances though, but why do you suppose he wanted the ladies to come to his room, and why did they go? Serious questions with serious implications one way or the other. Either they knew he was a sleaze ball and still went or they have remarkably low IQs. I have believed for a very long time that most stars get their roles by doing things others would morally object to. Once upon a time there may have existed a place where talent stood out, but I doubt it has been anywhere near Hollywood for at least half a century! ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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He supposedly would take fully staffed meetings. On cue, they would have another meeting to go to, leaving the victim. Then Harvey would pop out. 2pm on a Wednesday, after what seemed like an hour of good meetings, I'm sure it takes a moment to switch gears from business to "how do I get outta here?" | |||
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