A deal of any kind orchestrated by Pakistan would be a non starter.
The Iranians want to go back to the 14 century, lets help them do exactly that and make sure every time we find them crawling out of that time period we send them back.
Then bring our troops home.
We have no allies, who cares what they want out of our efforts.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

Iran Rejects Latest Cease-Fire Proposal, Wants Permanent End to War

Iran communicated its response through Pakistan, and signaled that it was unwilling to accept a temporary pause in hostilities.

Iran has rejected a new cease-fire proposal from the United States, insisting instead on a permanent end to the conflict along with firm guarantees against future attacks, according to the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA).

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And will Iran be offering “firm guarantees against future attacks” on US, Israel, Iraq, and other victims of their terror campaign either directly or through their proxies?

I really don’t think they are in a position to ask for anything but mercy.

Keep shooting until the threat stops.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by 6guns:
Iran Rejects Latest Cease-Fire Proposal, Wants Permanent End to War

Iran communicated its response through Pakistan, and signaled that it was unwilling to accept a temporary pause in hostilities.

Iran has rejected a new cease-fire proposal from the United States, insisting instead on a permanent end to the conflict along with firm guarantees against future attacks, according to the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA).

…

And will Iran be offering “firm guarantees against future attacks” on US, Israel, Iraq, and other victims of their terror campaign either directly or through their proxies?

I really don’t think they are in a position to ask for anything but mercy.

That's a good point...
“firm guarantees against future attacks” is a two way street... especially when you've been dealing with attacks for almost 50 years.

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especially when you've been dealing with attacks for almost 50 years.

Rome tolerated Carthage only for so long.

What does the history of warfare tell us about possible favorable outcomes for the superior force whereby the enemy seems willing to continue fighting asymmetrically in spite of certain defeat in the conventional sense, and for more fanatical enemies like Iran, who seem to be willing to fight until they could be practically eradicated to a degree where the people of Iran could simply stroll out of their homes and form a more normal secular form of regular government ? Does history suggest the current situation could parallel the WW2 balance of power where Japan was already on the road to eventual surrender in spite of the fact that commoners were ready to run out and meet their foes with pitchforks, and the 2nd bomb simply sealed the deal more quickly before the pitchforks became necessary ? Could Iran be similarly defeated sooner rather than later by finishing the job by going ahead and taking out major civil energy and infrastructure ? Could that be enough for the bad guys to just disappear for all practical purposes ? Are there examples in history where even that was not enough, and only complete eradication of all resistance was the only way to change the course of an opposing power ?

Option 1: Iran will give up at any moment in a relatively short timeframe.
Option 2: Iran will not give up until there's practically nothing left to financially support them in inside or outside the country.
option 3: Iran will not give up until the normal population of civilians who oppose them have nothing left to lose except their lives.
Option 4: Iran will not give up until the crazies are completely wiped off the soil in the biblical sense Genghis Kahn style.
Option 5: Iran will not give up until the whole country is completely annexed directly or indirectly by the victors.

If I had to guess I'm thinking Option 2 may be possible, or Option 3 if worse comes to worse.

I've left out more complicated factors like the upcoming midterm elections, the flow of oil, etc., to help simplify the arguments.

Or whatever else I can't think of since I'm not good with this subject.

What say you ?

It seems to me that its religious fanaticism that drives the leadership of Iran. This mindset will not allow negotiation or surrender to those who they view as inferior or evil. As far as rank-and-file Iranian citizens go, I have not seen any real information on what percentage of them hold the same fanatical beliefs that their leadership does.
I think that even if we severely cripple Iran it will only be temporary.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

Iran Rejects Latest Cease-Fire Proposal, Wants Permanent End to War

Okay, but first...
- dismantle your nuclear programs
- dismantle your ballistic missile programs
- dismantle all your terror activities, including your proxies Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis
- allow all commerce to use the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and the Strait of Hormuz peacefully
- allow inspectors to monitor the first four items at will

Let's get it on



Bomb them to ashes and then bomb the ashes.

There's your fuckin' ceasefire, assholes.

Stop bombing just so we can start bombing again.

Bomb the bombs and then bomb that, too, and fuck you very much.

You've been asking for it. Lap it up.

Ya can’t just carpet bomb the entire country.

We DO remember that they were revolting against their government / radical Islamic regime right before Israel and Us kicked things off?!?!

There’s a lot of people there who want a better life, and pretty much just be left alone, many of which are on OUR SIDE.

The next Pilot that gets shot down might just have a real hard time if we indiscriminately drop JDAMS on everyone.

Keep taking out key government assets, key government officials…

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Ya can’t just carpet bomb the entire country.

Yeah, you absolutely can.

When the "regular" people of Iran, fear us more than they fear the IRGC, then they will fight and prevail over the IRGC. Or they will fail.


The IRGC/Islamic Republic will never cease, will never negotiate an "equal/equitable peace", all they will ever do is seek a "ceasefire/armistice" with the intent of gaining the upper hand, while pursuing the means to seek to destroying the (Great Satan (USA) and the Little Satan, Israel)

We either destroy this evil, or we will see it rise again.

Unfortunately, the US does not have the balls to engage, and eradicate the threat. And we will rue the failure to do so.

Looks like NYT dropped their paywall for this article.
A Harrowing Race Against Time to Find a Downed U.S. Airman in Iran

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For the Iranians, the Air Force colonel whose fighter jet had been shot down was possible leverage. For the U.S. military, finding him was a moral imperative.

The two crew members ejected from their fighter jet just seconds after it was hit by Iranian fire. The F-15E Strike Eagle, the first fighter jet lost to enemy fire in the war, crashed violently to the ground.

The Air Force officers were deep in hostile territory on Friday morning, alone and armed only with pistols. The plane’s pilot was in “constant communication” with his unit and rescued about six hours later by a force that included attack planes and helicopters that came under heavy fire, military officials said.

But the aircraft’s weapons systems officer was missing. In the chaos of the ejection — a violent, lifesaving maneuver — he had become separated from the pilot, setting off a vast search that became the primary focus for the U.S. military troops and C.I.A. officers across the entire theater for two days.

This account of the weapons officer’s fight for survival and rescue is based on interviews with about a dozen current and former military and administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation.

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Leaking info has and always will be a problem. I am glad Trump is taking action against this.

Heres one from World War 2:
The May Incident

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The plane’s pilot was in “constant communication” with his unit and rescued about six hours

I wonder why the WSO wasn’t in communication.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
Ya can’t just carpet bomb the entire country.

We DO remember that they were revolting against their government / radical Islamic regime right before Israel and Us kicked things off?!?!

No shit. You think you have to tell me this?

Vice President JD Vance has said that "very shortly" this war will be "completed" in a Tuesday morning statement.
He stated specifically that the military objectives have been accomplished, adding there are "two pathways" - and that optimistically this will involve "lots of negotiations" - but with a deadline of 8pm ET. The US is "confident it will get an Iran response."

The below is from Hala Jaber, a longtime Sunday Times journalist and veteran Middle East war correspondent:

Trump is scrambling behind the scenes for a ceasefire with Iran, according to claims emerging via Fars News Agency. Allegations point to urgent outreach through multiple governments & intelligence channels. Citing what it describes as an “informed source,” the report claims the U.S. has been pushing for a ceasefire via backchannels, using countries it believes have credibility with Tehran.

According to the same account, Iran received calls from five heads of government & eight intelligence agencies, all seeking to open a path toward a ceasefire. It further claims Washington is considering reshaping its negotiation team, including removing Witkoff due to his ties to Netanyahu’s circle & replacing him with Vance to lead a more serious track. The urgency, the source says, is driven by mounting military & economic pressure, including fears of surging fuel prices. If true, it would mark a stark contrast to the public posture.

"I hope they make the right response," says @VP on Iran.

https://www.zerohedge.com/ener...ly-shock-intensifies

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Horse shit

It's fun watching the new world order get bucked by the Trump and the US. They are throwing fits like babies and the global propaganda machine is in full force. I'm excited for bridge and power plant day.

All the media can talk about is Trump. I'm trying to find out what's going on in Iran and all I seem to able to find is Trump said this or Trump said that. It's truly impressive how little actual news is being reported.

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All the media can talk about is Trump. I'm trying to find out what's going on in Iran and all I seem to able to find is Trump said this or Trump said that. It's truly impressive how little actual news is being reported.

Good observation. And true.