Just had a thought.

The people who are complaining that the vaccines aren't FDA approved are the same people who don't trust the Government as far as they can throw them.

So why do they suddenly trust the FDA and their approvals?

Let me add that I spent around 9 years working as an Engineer in Medical Electronics, all of which required FDA approvals so we could sell them.

If you guys spent one hour working with the FDA and seeing what they required to get approval, you would have no use for FDA approval either.

They can approve it, not approve it, whatever. It doesn't mean a damn thing to me. I'm not allowing anyone to inject into me some vaccine which know one knows the long-term effects and I am floored at the number of people willing to step right up and submit to this reckless foolishness.

Jesus hisself could offer up one of these vaccines to me and I'd still decline. Any of you folks planing to still be alive five years from now? Ten years? What will these vaccines do to your immune system? I don't know. Neither do you or any of the bureaucrats forcing this shit upon us.

How ya gonna "un-vaccine" yourself when the chickens start coming home to roost? Huh?

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If you guys spent one hour working with the FDA and seeing what they required to get approval, you would have no use for FDA approval either.

And, in fact, I do not.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
... I am floored at the number of people willing to step right up and submit to this reckless foolishness.

You and me, both, boss

Got the J&J. Very minimal side effects. Sore arm and pretty tired the next day, but back to normal the day after.

I like science Flu shot got me way worse this year.

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I like science

I take it that Jay thinks those of us unwilling to submit to the experimental "vaccine" don't like science.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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I like science

I take it that Jay thinks those of us unwilling to submit to the experimental "vaccine" don't like science.

Not at all. Just my personal stance/belief . I don't judge anyone for their own beliefs as long as they don't judge me for mine.

That’s how I read it. Funny thing is, science, to the best of my understanding, is about testing and observing reactions and effects. If you like being the one being tested on, instead of the one observing the reactions and effects, then you go on ahead and like your role in the science and I’ll like mine over here... observing... because I like science, too.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
That’s how I read it. Funny thing is, science, to the best of my understanding, is about testing and observing reactions and effects. If you like being the one being tested on, instead of the one observing the reactions and effects, then you go on ahead and like your role in the science and I’ll like mine over here... observing... because I like science, too.

Completely agree. I understand the risks and know its not FDA approved. I really am not judging anyone. I really do just mean I like science. Trial, error, risk, reward, etc. I would love to take part in other clinical trials for science. Find it fascinating and if it can help the greater good, I'm all for it. Not just an open ended lab rat though ;P That is one reason I chose the J&J. It is a Viral Vector, not the newer MRNA.

My wife on the other hand was all for the new MRNA.

Fully understand I may come back and loudly proclaim my CUT: "It seemed like a good idea at the time"

I like science too! Thats why I let my bodies healthy immune system fight and defend against COVID19. I have seen a hell of a lot more scientific data on the immune system than I have on the vaccines. I trust the science.

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Originally posted by JohnCourage:
I like science too! Thats why I let my bodies healthy immune system fight and defend against COVID19. I have seen a hell of a lot more scientific data on the immune system than I have on the vaccines. I trust the science.

Same. And not to mention a survival rate of 99.7 percent. Many of the people getting the vaccine are getting it because of fear, which is an emotion.

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What will these vaccines do to your immune system? I don't know. Neither do you or any of the bureaucrats forcing this shit upon us.

Precisely they reason I chose as I did. I KNOW what a standard vaccine will/won't do. mRNA is a crap shoot.

I trust the FDA as much as I do the CDC which it not at all and its a damn shame to have to feel that way.

I, too, like science; they apparently like politics.

RMD

I will not get the vaccine. I already had the Wu-Flu last year and recovered just fine. I see no need for me to get a vaccine for something I already survived.

My wife texted me this yesterday...

My patient got his second dose of the covid vaccine, started throwing up, was found by his wife unresponsive on the floor. Ended up having a hemorrhagic stroke, deep vein thrombosis, kidney failure and might end up a vegetable for the rest of his life. Angry cannot even begin to describe how I feel about all of this. And then we have politicians imposing vaccines and passports knowing that, if you get the vaccine, you could end up a vegetable for the rest of life.

My wife got the vaccine and regrets it. My 25 year old daughter got it but she hasn't expressed any concern.

We will not give the vaccine to my 11 year old son.

If you got it and are happy; good on you. I will avoid it as much as possible.

Tony.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

How ya gonna "un-vaccine" yourself when the chickens start coming home to roost? Huh?

Might not need to. Nobody knows now and it's possible nobody will ever know. I certainly don't.

That's right- you don't know, which means that all the possible unforseen side-effects can be avoided to a certainty only by not having taken any vaccine.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
How ya gonna "un-vaccine" yourself when the chickens start coming home to roost? Huh?

Might not need to. Nobody knows ...

You just nicely made our point: Might not need to. Nobody knows.

We actually know more about Covid-19 and its possible effects than we do the vaccines that allegedly merely reduce the severity of a Covid-19 infection.

Seems like a bad gamble to me.

With each passing day, the powers that be ramp up their attempts to encourage the jab, despite the numbers dropping regardless of the state or level of response stupidity. That is all I need to see- I will remain in the control group.

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Same. And not to mention a survival rate of 99.7 percent

If you limit your data to those healthy and under 40. As the age increases to 40 plus with no medical issues the survival rate is 97 percent. A medical issue rises the number significantly.

Two friends got it here. Both still suffer raspatory issues months after. One early on didn't have the treatments now available. The second, much younger was treated soon after with monoclonal antibodies which knocked down the fever quickly.

Unlike what is posted in much of the media, here in NH the deaths have not been the elderly but middle aged. 70 plus was only 8 percent of the deaths. 69 to 50 YO...25 percent.

Either way, survival rate among all is 99.7 percent.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Either way, survival rate among all is 99.7 percent.

Same can be said about the Chicken Pox and Measles vaccines plus Small Pox and Polio. Most here that are against the Covid vaccine had them as kids. What about all the vets that walked the gauntlet at the beginning of their service. I believe it was 8 shots and most don't have a clue what they were for.

I know I'll be getting a lot of flack for posting this reminder but there is a little hypocrisy involved in this thread so bring it on. I won't respond.

Jim

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Same can be said about the Chicken Pox and Measles vaccines plus Small Pox and Polio. Most here that are against the Covid vaccine had them as kids.

Those vaccines were thoroughly tested before they were approved for use, and they were used against diseases that didn’t require government and media fakery to exaggerate their seriousness.