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Businesses such as this one are pleading with local governments to allow them to reopen in full capacity as long as everyone entering can show their vaccination passport. You think this won't catch on if the oh so benevolent government says ok to this. No government mandate is needed. Just keep your foot on the throat of the business long enough and they will beg you to do to themselves what you always wanted to do in the first place.

People are already willingly to comply with this. That's why people are all rushing to laminate their cards and buying badge holders to be at the ready. Then after awhile the freedoms of those vaccinated will be scaled back and they will be told to blame the ones that did not get vaccinated. The uncleansed they are to blame! Get them inline and you can have you're supposed freedoms returned. Roll Eyes


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Was in to see my GP a week ago. Asked me whether I'd gotten a Wu Flu vaccine. Nope. Did I intend to get one? "Nope. I'd rather take my chances with the Wu Flu than an experimental vaccine." He dropped it.



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Anyone who tells you it's safe is lying to you. They have no idea if it's safe. As most consent forms state, I understand that the long-term side effects or complications of this vaccine are not known at this time.
 
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Anyone who tells you it's safe is lying to you. They have no idea if it's safe. As most consent forms state, I understand that the long-term side effects or complications of this vaccine are not known at this time.

And the long term side effects of COVID aren't known either. It's funny how some mock the one and are scared of the other. My advice is pray and do what you feel best and don't live your life in fear either way. Most will be fine if they get COVID or a vaccine. I'm getting the J&J on Friday and I may regret it. We'll see how it goes.
 
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Sometimes it’s better to let nature takes its course rather than play god over it. Assuming that there are no ulterior motives as well. But time will tell which is the right choice. Today, I believe the correct choice is to abstain. We'll see if it’s indeed the right choice.




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Anyone who tells you it's safe is lying to you. They have no idea if it's safe. As most consent forms state, I understand that the long-term side effects or complications of this vaccine are not known at this time.

And the long term side effects of COVID aren't known either. It's funny how some mock the one and are scared of the other. My advice is pray and do what you feel best and don't live your life in fear either way. Most will be fine if they get COVID or a vaccine. I'm getting the J&J on Friday and I may regret it. We'll see how it goes.



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Well apparently there is a woman laying in a Nashville hospital suffering from paralysis shortly after her second Pfizer shot. Extremely rare occurrence I'm sure. Just like winning the lottery but I'd sooner take my chances on the lottery thank you.

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Anyone who tells you it's safe is lying to you. They have no idea if it's safe. As most consent forms state, I understand that the long-term side effects or complications of this vaccine are not known at this time.

And the long term side effects of COVID aren't known either. It's funny how some mock the one and are scared of the other. My advice is pray and do what you feel best and don't live your life in fear either way. Most will be fine if they get COVID or a vaccine. I'm getting the J&J on Friday and I may regret it. We'll see how it goes.

The HUGE difference is you have a choice whether or not to get the vaccine. I’m gonna sit back and watch instead of being a beta tester with my body, thank you.


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The HUGE difference is you have a choice whether or not to get the vaccine.

At least for now...
But they will continue to crank up the pressure by telling people that they can only do certain things if they have had the vaccine.



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Well I got the 5g implant installed today. I'll let you guys know how the reception is.



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I'm hoping the downside is just flu/COVID symptoms. If it results in that, wife has a decent amount of life insurance coming her way.



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At least for now...
But they will continue to crank up the pressure by telling people that they can only do certain things if they have had the vaccine.


The insidious part is that it won't be the government directly mandating this. It will be their leftist allies in the private industry who will do their totalitarian work for them, and squish Republicans and misguided conservatives will accept it and say, "well, they're private companies and can do what they want."


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I get my 2nd Pfizer next week. Work is already cranking the shit up. They have a program now that pays you $200 if you get the Vaccine, both of them, and submit paperwork for it. I can tell they, at some point, are going to require it, or require you to sign paperwork stating your religious beliefs preclude you from it. One or the other.



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I get my 2nd Pfizer next week. Work is already cranking the shit up. They have a program now that pays you $200 if you get the Vaccine, both of them, and submit paperwork for it. I can tell they, at some point, are going to require it, or require you to sign paperwork stating your religious beliefs preclude you from it. One or the other.


That is absurd.


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I get my 2nd Pfizer next week. Work is already cranking the shit up. They have a program now that pays you $200 if you get the Vaccine, both of them, and submit paperwork for it. I can tell they, at some point, are going to require it, or require you to sign paperwork stating your religious beliefs preclude you from it. One or the other.

I'd ask them why if they had $200 to throw at each employee all this time why not hand it out as a bonus to those doing a good job at their position instead of using it as a lure to get people to do something they may be opposed to for any number of reasons. If I don't want the vaccine I don't know that anyone has the right to know why or that I have to have any particular reason at all.


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At least for now...
But they will continue to crank up the pressure by telling people that they can only do certain things if they have had the vaccine.


The insidious part is that it won't be the government directly mandating this. It will be their leftist allies in the private industry who will do their totalitarian work for them, and squish Republicans and misguided conservatives will accept it and say, "well, they're private companies and can do what they want."


Or maybe it will be the government issuing ukases to tie vax compliance rates for authorization to enjoy your ‘Freedom’.

From mlive.com (and elsewhere) -

When will Michigan ditch its mask mandate? Whitmer officially ties reopening measures to vaccination rates


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From the NYT (yeah... dripping with condescension for those of us who are 'skeptics'):

Vaccine Skepticism Was Viewed as a Knowledge Problem. It’s Actually About Gut Beliefs.

Identifying those psychological traits may help health officials convince the sizable minority of Americans who don’t want a coronavirus vaccine. Simply sharing information hasn’t worked.

April 29, 2021

For years, scientists and doctors have treated vaccine skepticism as a knowledge problem. If patients were hesitant to get vaccinated, the thinking went, they simply needed more information.

But as public health officials now work to convince Americans to get Covid-19 vaccines as quickly as possible, new social science research suggests that a set of deeply held beliefs is at the heart of many people’s resistance, complicating efforts to bring the coronavirus pandemic under control.

“The instinct from the medical community was, ‘If only we could educate them,’” said Dr. Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, who studies vaccine skepticism. “It was patronizing and, as it turns out, not true.”

About a third of American adults are still resisting vaccines. Polling shows that Republicans make up a substantial part of that group. Given how deeply the country is divided by politics, it is perhaps not surprising that they have dug in, particularly with a Democrat in the White House. But political polarization is only part of the story.

In recent years, epidemiologists have teamed up with social psychologists to look more deeply into the “why” behind vaccine hesitancy. They wanted to find out whether there was anything that vaccine skeptics had in common, in order to better understand how to persuade them.

They borrowed a concept from social psychology — the idea that a small set of moral intuitions forms the foundations upon which complex moral worldviews are constructed — and applied it to their study of vaccine skepticism.

What they discovered was a clear set of psychological traits offering a new lens through which to understand skepticism — and potentially new tools for public health officials scrambling to try to persuade people to get vaccinated.

Dr. Omer and a team of scientists found that skeptics were much more likely than nonskeptics to have a highly developed sensitivity for liberty — the rights of individuals — and to have less deference to those in positions of power.

Skeptics were also twice as likely to care a lot about the “purity” of their bodies and their minds. They disapprove of things they consider disgusting, and the mind-set defies neat categorization: It could be religious — halal or kosher — or entirely secular, like people who care deeply about toxins in foods or in the environment.

Scientists have found similar patterns among skeptics in Australia and Israel, and in a broad sample of vaccine-hesitant people in 24 countries in 2018.

“At the root are these moral intuitions — these gut feelings — and they are very strong,” said Jeff Huntsinger, a social psychologist at Loyola University Chicago who studies emotion and decision-making and collaborated with Dr. Omer’s team. “It’s very hard to override them with facts and information. You can’t reason with them in that way.”

These qualities tend to predominate among conservatives but they are present among liberals too. They are also present among people with no politics at all.

Kasheem Delesbore, a warehouse worker in northeastern Pennsylvania, is neither conservative nor liberal. He does not consider himself political and has never voted. But he is skeptical of the vaccines — along with many institutions of American power.

Mr. Delesbore, 26, has seen information online that a vaccine might harm his body. He is not sure what to make of it. But his faith in God gives him confidence: Whatever happens is God’s will. There is little he can do to influence it. (Manufacturers of the three vaccines approved for emergency use by the Food and Drug Administration say they are safe.)

The vaccines have also raised a fundamental question of power. There are many things in Mr. Delesbore’s life that he does not control. Not the schedule at the warehouse where he works. Or the way he is treated by the customers at his other job, a Burger King. The decision about whether to get vaccinated, he believes, should be one of them.

“I have that choice to decide whether I put something in my own body,” Mr. Delesbore said. “Anybody should.”

Mr. Delesbore has had many jobs, most of them through temporary agencies — at a park concession stand, at an auto parts warehouse, at a FedEx warehouse, and at a frozen food warehouse. He is sometimes overcome by a sense that he will never be able to get beyond the stress of living paycheck to paycheck. He remembers once breaking down to his parents.

“I told them, what am I supposed to do?” he said. “How are we supposed to make a living? Buy a house and start a family? How?”

Like many people interviewed for this article, Mr. Delesbore spends a lot of time online. He is hungry to make sense of the world, but it often seems rigged and it is hard to trust things. He is especially suspicious of how fast the vaccines were developed. He used to work at a factory of the drug company Sanofi, so he knows a bit about the process. He believes there is a lot that Americans are not being told. Vaccines are just one small piece of the picture.

Conspiratorial thinking is another predictor of vaccine hesitancy, according to the 2018 study. Conspiracy theories can be comforting, a way to get one’s bearings during rapid change in the culture or the economy, by providing narratives that bring order. They are finding fertile ground because of a decades-long decline in trust in government, and a sharp rise in inequality that has led to a sense, among many Americans, that the government is no longer working on their behalf.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/0...pticism-beliefs.html



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Dr. Omer and a team of scientists found that skeptics were much more likely than nonskeptics to have a highly developed sensitivity for liberty — the rights of individuals — and to have less deference to those in positions of power.

IOW: They're not sheep.



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