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Originally posted by Gibb:
Out of my coworkers, the J&J seems to have the least "side effects".
Moderna 2nd shot seems to be the worst.

I've heard the same thing. Only a few scattered reports of humps on the back.

Did I just read a post mentioning the staged meat freezer trailers ?

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Did I just read a post mentioning the staged meat freezer trailers?

Well, only you know for sure.

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Originally posted by kkina:
Not as inconvenient as you might think. That represents a death rate of .0001% = 100% statistical effectiveness. I know it sounds cruel if you're one of the 74 out of 77,000,000 that died, but that's the math.

Also, the article doesn't say that they died as a result of Covid, just that they died. If you take a survey of anything involving that many people, a certain number will die. Maybe they would have died anyway.

Uhh, that was the whole point of the article...
And, those facts are EXTREMELY Inconvenient if you're claiming ANY of the following:

"All three vaccines are 100% effective at preventing Covid-related death."

"All three vaccines – Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, and Moderna – completely prevented hospitalizations and deaths in clinical trials."

"The vaccines were all 100% effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death."

For the record:

- I, like the vast majority, 100% recovered from COVID!
- I, like the vast majority, required 0% hospitalization, or even a visit to the Doctor's office!
- I, like the vast majority, remain 100% Alive!

If I, like the vast majority, somehow get COVID again, I expect the same outcome!

I'll admit to being a little lost here. How does the article refute the results of the clinical trials? The issue was whether the vaccines were all effective at preventing Covid-related deaths (someone seemed to think only the J&J was). Not whether Covid is a deadly disease in the first place, which is a completely different issue.

The least bad?
For side effects?

I quess the vaccines that were really saline solutions.
Or the vaccines that were just an empty syringe.

https://www.fox9.com/news/2-pa...doses-in-sauk-centre
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https://www.beckershospitalrev...-vaccine-clinic.html

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I just had the second Moderna 6 days ago. When I went for it I was asked about side effects from the first shot, I replied that I only had a sore arm for about 4 days, that was received with some surprise. The second shot kicked my butt. not able to sleep, equililbrium issues, weaker than a newborn. Those lasted for three days, now I'm back to normal.

Had my 2nd Pfizer 3 days ago. Other than a tiny bit of soreness in my arm both times, I've felt no ill effects.

I avoid first year production vaccines. Perhaps Novavax down the road.
https://www.pharmaceutical-tec...e-efficacy-variants/

So early on in this nightmare we have before us, I read an article that hypothesized those who tend to be generally resistant to the flu faired better and had a much less serious response if they did catch C19.

I can’t remember the last time I caught the flu, and never get flu shots. At some point I did have C19 as I tested positive for anti-bodies in my annual physical last Sept. My best guess is I had it early on, last time I remember being even close to being sick was Dec ‘19 into Jan ‘20. Nothing that would have kept me from work or sent me to a Dr. just a general “cruddy” feeling for about 3-4 days.

My Dad died Apr ‘20, C19 listed but also 89 years old with COPD and emphysema after smoking since he was 16. He was steadfast in his DNR, and after hospitalizations in Nov ‘19, Dec ‘19, and Jan ‘20 he was ready to check out. All hospitalization started the same way, acute respiratory problems diagnosed with pneumonia, treated with IV antibiotics and steroids, discharged after 3-5 days. I am of the mind that if he allowed treatment, he may very well have survived his Apr visit.

Anyway, long story to get to this... now, a year later anymore information on if the correlation between susceptibility to flu and C19 continues to be studied? Or how those more susceptible to one may also be more susceptible to the other?

Based on having gotten my antibodies the “old-fashioned” way, and minimal if any real reaction to C19, I have chosen to go unvaccinated.


Just curious where the SF medical professionals are thinking in these areas.

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So early on in this nightmare we have before us, I read an article that hypothesized those who tend to be generally resistant to the flu faired better and had a much less serious response if they did catch C19.

A healthy immune system is the best defense. Vitamin D deficiency is common in those who do not fare well.

Vaccine resistance and COVID fear within families
By Patricia McCarthy

It would be funny if the stakes were not so high, but political differences within families seem to fall along the same lines as party differences. Who could have predicted that all those Trump-haters who swore they would never submit to a vaccine that President Trump had brought to market with Operation Warp Speed are those who now are lining up like bleating sheep to get vaccines that are experimental? Or that millions of those who support the former president are much more likely to be wary of the four vaccines now available?

All one has to do is visit the websites of the vaccine-manufacturers themselves to discover that those Big Pharma companies do not claim that their jabs can prevent COVID or its transmission. They claim only that they may reduce the severity of symptoms. And as the number of serious adverse reactions and even deaths by vaccine mount, those who have succumbed to the media fear-mongering and Biden administration heavy-handed promotion still ignore the many, many obvious factors that mitigate against all four of the vaccines, all of which may have serious consequences down the road when other viruses come along.

Those of us of a certain age are perhaps more likely to research the vaccines than younger generations, and conservatives are certainly more likely to be suspicious of anything the government pushes so aggressively, especially when tried and true, inexpensive, and effective treatment is available.

As Dr. Ryan Cole notes in his short video advising against the vaccines, it is illegal to produce a vaccine for an illness for which there is treatment. Dr. Cole reminds as well that these are not vaccines, but a form of gene therapy. The oh, so disingenuous Dr. Fauci should soon fall from grace for his shameless promotion of the vaccines in which he has a financial interest, and his relentless derision of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. He knew from the outset that those drugs could easily reduce the severity of symptoms and, taken prophylactically, can prevent COVID. He knew and lied. Hundreds of thousands of lives might have been saved by the use of HCQ and ivermectin in all the nursing homes.

Nearly all who of lost their lives were deficient in Vitamin D. Had those lost been given large doses of Vitamin D they might have survived. But Fauci and the media not only kept all that to themselves, they frightened people away from these simple preventatives and treatments. Fauci and his handmaidens in the media and Big Pharma have much blood on their hands. Follow the money.

Everyone surely knows by now that young people are at very low risk of getting COVID and even less of dying from it, yet many of our adult children are rushing to be vaccinated and want their children jabbed when there is virtually no risk to them! The vaccines are a risk to children. So it is yet another point of contention between grandparents, adult kids, and grandkids who were perhaps already at odds over the 2020 election. Those of us who have read much of the literature out there that lays out the potential dangers down the road are supremely frustrated by our adult kids' refusal to listen to us, their refusal to read the volumes of information warning against the shots, and who line up to get it.

What do we do now? We worry and watch them carefully if possible, and we try to stop them from vaxxing their own young children. We wonder how these young people, many of them college-educated, came to be lemmings. Why are they so susceptible to obvious propaganda? See this column by Peter Savodnik for a possible explanation. At least two generations of Americans have been rendered vulnerable to nonsense.

President Trump obviously meant well when rushing a vaccine to availability. He had no idea that Fauci had been funding that lab in Wuhan, that despite legal prohibition of gain-of-function (making known viruses more lethal) experiments in the U.S., he was funding that research in China as well.

He and his cohorts at NIAID resemble mad scientists who for twenty years had been dying to experiment on human beings using mRNA despite having no idea what the long-term effects may be. And the fact that Bill Gates has been in on this scheme for years should give everyone pause. He is a known depopulation advocate who, at the same time, funds mass vaccinations around the world, sometimes with murderous results.

What do we do to protect the grandkids? Try to convince their vaxxed parents not to submit their children to what is an experimental trial with potentially lethal consequences. The use of these vaccines is an affront to essential medical ethics. Throughout history, parents and grandparents have striven above all to protect their progeny, but with the onslaught of mass media, toxic social media, and the wholesale censorship by those who control what and how information is disseminated to the public, the once revered wise counsel of the storied family trust has been sorely dissipated. To paraphrase the words of Thomas Paine, these are truly the times that try men's souls.

https://www.americanthinker.co...within_families.html

Speaking of vitamin D, I've been taking it religiously for the past year....actually longer, but upped the dose during this BS. For the SIGforum experts, is there an upper limit of Vit D one should be putting in their bodies?

FWIW, I'm 62 and have remained healthy for the entire last year and the last time I had any kind of cold symptoms was in October of 2019. Ironically, I usually catch one or two colds a year.

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We wonder how these young people, many of them college-educated, came to be lemmings. Why are they so susceptible to obvious propaganda? See this column by Peter Savodnik for a possible explanation. At least two generations of Americans have been rendered vulnerable to nonsense.

Uhhh, I'm pretty sure their college education indoctrination had a lot to do with it!

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For the SIGforum experts, is there an upper limit of Vit D one should be putting in their bodies?

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You can take too much. I have my levels checked regularly. I take by prescription 50000 units twice per week and one thousand daily.

Smartalec answer: The one that is least bad is the one you don’t take. It can’t hurt you if you don’t take it.

Serious answer: If you *choose* to get vaccinated (Nobody can force you. You are free to tell them to shove their job, their airline seat, their concert seat, etc. You may choose not to tell them to shove it for perfectly good reasons, but is your choice), only you can decide which is least likely to harm YOU. Your physician (who knows your medical history / situation) may have useful information, but in the end the decision is yours. You are unique and things that made a vaccine bad (or good) for others may not apply to you.

Edited to fix typo: s/thing things/things/

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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For the SIGforum experts, is there an upper limit of Vit D one should be putting in their bodies?

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You can take too much. I have my levels checked regularly. I take by prescription 50000 units twice per week and one thousand daily.

I was taking 6000IU/day, but recently dropped it to 4000. I just did some searching and feel pretty good about those numbers and don't have any symptoms of having too much Vit D in my system. I'd like to think I did myself some good over the last year.

Vitamin D is one of the fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) and can build up in your tissues to the point of toxicity. The usual max recommended daily amount is 4,000 i.u., but studies have shown that it is possible to push that up to as much as 20,000 i.u. without toxicity.

Taking more than 4,000 may be perfectly OK, but I would get regular blood tests to screen for toxicity.

3000IU D3 daily here.

Thanks for the post chellim1

The video posted a couple of weeks ago talked in detail about Vit-D. As summer comes less is needed in the form of a supplement if you find yourself taking higher dose's.